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Has anyone tried out one of those little M.2 drives? I just noticed my new Asus Z170-p has an M.2 PCIe x4 (32GB/s) port on it, and I just recently figured out what it does :)

 

Are these little boogers really as zippy as advertised? Like the Samsung 960 evo? Man that would be cool for loading big DCS World missions!

 

Just curious :)

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I've got an early plextor one, only 2x pcie and it's mint, works perfect. Def get a960 man it will fly. Be aware tho, on my board using the m.2 disables done pcie slots

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I've got an early plextor one, only 2x pcie and it's mint, works perfect. Def get a960 man it will fly. Be aware tho, on my board using the m.2 disables done pcie slots

 

Do you really notice that they're much faster? I'm curious because normal SATA SSDs certainly are faster than hard drives, although I have a bit of a hard time benchmarking my SATA 3 SSD (Kingston SSDNow V300 240GB), it shows up in HD Tune etc. as barely faster than a hard disk sometimes, but is obviously faster when I use it--just nowhere near "10 times" as advertised, maybe twice as fast if I'm lucky.

 

The little M.2s are marketed as much, *much* faster than regular SATA SSDs, but aren't much more expensive. That's why I'm wondering if there's any kind of 'catch' :)

 

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Say you need 300MB real fast...with Sata3 it takes about 1 second...with NVMe_x4 it takes 1/10th of that time.

 

It wont matter for standard stuff,, Youtube, WinZip, iTunes, Handbreak...but it may help when VRAM is little and the card needs to access the drive a lot.

 

If that affects you depends on your VRAM I'd say imho.

 

 

What holds me back to get a 960Pro_512GB is the LOW warranty...3 years doesnt sound reliable to me and I had 1 Samsung failing already that had a 3y only...costed me 340€ to fix. Since then 850Pro_10y ONLY

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Do you really notice that they're much faster? I'm curious because normal SATA SSDs certainly are faster than hard drives, although I have a bit of a hard time benchmarking my SATA 3 SSD (Kingston SSDNow V300 240GB), it shows up in HD Tune etc. as barely faster than a hard disk sometimes, but is obviously faster when I use it--just nowhere near "10 times" as advertised, maybe twice as fast if I'm lucky.

 

The little M.2s are marketed as much, *much* faster than regular SATA SSDs, but aren't much more expensive. That's why I'm wondering if there's any kind of 'catch' :)

 

Peace

 

There is a lot to consider, first SSDs will slow as they fill and 240 isn't that big. But I dunno could be anything. I went straight from HDD to m.2 so I can't compare m.2 be SSD really and I was just referring to benchmarks etc. Not sure what real world would look like. I guess standard game loading etc won't seem much different as ram and CPU etc are the same but moving large chunks of data from m.2 to ram might be much quicker. Again seeing real world benefit might be hard.

 

Regarding longevity, my plextor is 3 years old and seems fine. It's only small at 128 as they were expensive back then, well ish! But I've no plans to upgrade it until it fails etc.

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M.2 SSD Nearly 3 times faster on my Z170. Just have to fully install windows to it and disconnect any older AHCI SSD/HDD drives when doing so. Slightly faster booting too. Go with Samsung 950 or 960 pro M.2 Also use windows 8.1 or 10 if possible and grab the NVME driver from Samsung website to make it as fast as possible.


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For me I will opt for an M.2 NVMe SSD when I move to a new motherboard which has this feature. Probably a Samsung 960 Evo as the price jump to the Pro is too much for me to swallow.

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Here is my primary drive, a .M2 --

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And the secondary stand alone SSD --

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It is what it is. The .M2 sure is nifty, though! :)

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It is what it is. The .M2 sure is nifty, though! :)

Yes it is convenient in that so SATA or power cable is required. Outside of that it is like any old bog standard SSD.

 

The big jump is moving from SATA3 to the PCI-express NVme SSD's such as the Samsung 960Pro or 960 Evo.

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the 512GB models are the sweetspot right now, if you play mostly DCS only. Ill be getting on 1TB 960 Evo with my next build (soon) as I will need that extra space for Star citizen and a few RTS games in addition to DCS (would run quickly out of space with any smaller unit).

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so, how much faster is the DCS 2.5 downloaded from the Samsung 960pro in comparison with the SSD sata3 ??? if we know that bootable 960pro is installed correctly with nvme and it has speed real ~3500

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I have not measured it, but it is faster. Not 500% faster as the specs appear to indicate, because its not reading sequentially and thus not using up it theoretical maximum throughput.

 

I would say 50% faster but thats my empirical perception. I have not actually measured.

 

to get even faster you would need an Intel Optane drive (which would halve the loading time compared to my 960 evo) but they are hard to get and woefully un-affordable (yes even compared to the SAMSUNG drive).

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my samsung SSD benches at about 550MB/s

my samsung M.2 NVME benches at about 2956MB/s on the same test


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...which does not reflect real life performance. Sequential performance is much higher than randomly accessing small files, thats what youll be doing most of the time.

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M.2 is just a connexion type.

M.2 SATA SSD will be as fast as a normal SATA SSD

M.2 NVME SSD will be a looooot faster than a SATA

 

Let’s not get confused here. I have a SATA M.2 and it reads and writes at 580 MB/sec. A Samsung NVME M.2 would get me to 3000MB/ sec or some figure like that.

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I would say 50% faster but thats my empirical perception. I have not actually measured.

 

 

 

Let's measure it. For example, my Kа-50 "Free Flight" is loaded 43 sec from SSD sata Samsung EVO 850.

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I'm thinking you would need to add the graphic options set?

 

Is this the first time or 2nd time the same mission has been loaded since win reboot, as some on the files will be loaded.

 

DCS 2.5

DCS high settings pre set button

960 EVO M.2

See other specs in sig, running cpu at 4.8GHz

 

Instant action

Ka-50 Free flight sukhumi (georgia map)

First load 35 secs from a clean boot

2nd load same mission 7 secs

3rd Change the mission to attack insurgents 10 secs (georgia map)

 

 

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I'm thinking you would need to add the graphic options set?

 

DCS 2.5

DCS high settings pre set button

960 EVO M.2

See other specs in sig, running cpu at 4.8GHz

 

Instant action

Ka-50 Free flight sukhumi (georgia map)

First load 35 secs from a clean boot

2nd load same mission 7 secs

3rd Change the mission to attack insurgents 10 secs (georgia map)

 

OK!

DCS 2.5

DCS high settings pre set button

850 EVO ssd

 

First load 40 secs from a clean boot

2nd load same mission 7 secs

3rd Change the mission to attack insurgents 10 secs (georgia map)

 

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