Upcoming ASSET PACKS?

[NineLine]

Im looking at the world weekend news, and it has only one plane listed, B17g bomber. Unlesss there is a list somehwere else i missed i cant see it, though the newsletter mentions additional assets created will be given for free too those thta own the asset pack im not sure i can wait 7 years before they are included... If im gonna pay for the asset(wich im not) atleast i would expect the theater to be complete before paying anything..

 

Look further down the newsletter:

The DCS: World War II Assets Pack will continue to grow with DCS: Combined Arms compatibility and free asset additions that includes:

 

New tanks

SdKfz 234/2 "Puma"

Sd.Kfz. 251

Sd.Kfz.2 Kettenkrad

Horch staff car

E-boat Schnellboot type S-130

U-boat type 7

German search lights

Barrage balloons

Avro Lancaster

Hawker Typhoon

C-47

Ju-88

Fw 190 A-6 and A-8

Bf 109 G-6

A-20 Havoc/Boston

B-24

B-25

B-26

[Coxy_99]

I think it is still on topic as we are discussing the businessmodel here :) And I don't see how Arma differs from DCS here. You do have some crappy weapon and vehicle packs that you can still see on the map but not use them (like aircraft modules in DCS) but with Apex the whole community seperated because assets use from Apex in new maps or missions blocked those missions for players who don't own Apex. In my milsim group that brought up a big discussion because some wanted to move to Apex to use the assets but some were not willing to pay the 30$.

 

Same problem here only that we now have 1 paid map, 1 paid map and asset pack coming, 1 map further down the line coming with the F-18 and then the carrier modules that will also be paid content and probably released with the F-18 (just a guess here). All that content will probably completly exclude players that are not willing or not able to pay for this content from the part of the community that is willing to buy it.

 

And completly agree with you, as long as everybody is still able to use the same server I'm 100% fine with this. I'm even fine with some content that splits the community as new maps are hard to implement in a different way. But like I already said, I still have some concerns.

 

Yes that was it the Apex thing, Couldnt think lol :thumbup:

[Coxy_99]

Look further down the newsletter:

The DCS: World War II Assets Pack will continue to grow with DCS: Combined Arms compatibility and free asset additions that includes:

 

New tanks

SdKfz 234/2 "Puma"

Sd.Kfz. 251

Sd.Kfz.2 Kettenkrad

Horch staff car

E-boat Schnellboot type S-130

U-boat type 7

German search lights

Barrage balloons

Avro Lancaster

Hawker Typhoon

C-47

Ju-88

Fw 190 A-6 and A-8

Bf 109 G-6

A-20 Havoc/Boston

B-24

B-25

B-26

 

Hey Sith our Lancaster look lol :thumbup:

[Cik]

oh, and i should register my protest about the simplistic at best vehicle modelling.

 

you know it would be different maybe if there were actually real armor simulation, terrain simulation, ground vehicle systems modelling etc. but DCS' ground vehicle modelling is simple. VERY simple. i mean what are we paying for here? a model of a tiger that is essentially a T-55 that looks different with a slightly different healthbar? eh. the whole thing is pretty sour.

[sobek]

you know it would be different maybe if there were actually real armor simulation, terrain simulation, ground vehicle systems modelling etc. but DCS' ground vehicle modelling is simple. VERY simple. i mean what are we paying for here? a model of a tiger that is essentially a T-55 that looks different with a slightly different healthbar? eh. the whole thing is pretty sour.

 

What you are asking costs significantly more than the price of the asset pack.

[kaboki]

scroll down to the asset pack list and take another look

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/newsletters/newsletter10032017.html

 

Ok, that list was not in the newsletter i read, dunno where this came from but ok, still not complete ww2.. But how long will it take before we get the rest for free? Knowing how slow DCS development is maybe 5 too seven years before we will get all those assets and still its not a complete ww2 scenario, maybe it was all units that was fighting over normandy, dunno, but what is next, when we get a new ww2 theater, we wil have too buy new assets that fit for the new one too? Anyway, I hate the idea off paying for assets, and I think this is gonna hurt ED in the long run, I can imagine that if someone playing IL2 bos/clod that maybe was intrested in DCS WW2 before is gonna be put off by this great news. Also, is this gonna be the norm for every theater we buy from now on? Nah my intrest in DCS WW2 just went from exited to dissapointed, im gonna stay with IL 2 for now and just play modern warfare for free in the Georgia theater(or maybe when 2.5 comes out we have to pay for the improved terrain, assets in that map too)

Edited March 10, 2017 by kaboki

[Silver_Dragon]

oh, and i should register my protest about the simplistic at best vehicle modelling.

 

you know it would be different maybe if there were actually real armor simulation, terrain simulation, ground vehicle systems modelling etc. but DCS' ground vehicle modelling is simple. VERY simple. i mean what are we paying for here? a model of a tiger that is essentially a T-55 that looks different with a slightly different healthbar? eh. the whole thing is pretty sour.

 

Build a "hardcore" module of a tank cost as a F-5 or a AJS-37 module. And the associate technology to make them feasible, require implement previously to DCS: W engine. Has similar to build a infantry or a naval module into DCS: W.

 

Ok, that list was not in the newsletter i read, dunno where this came from but ok, still not complete ww2.. But how long will it take before we get the rest for free? Knowing how slow DCS development is maybe 5 too seven years before we will get all those assets and still its not a complete ww2 scenario, maybe it was all units that was fighting over normandy, dunno, but what is next, when we get a new ww2 theater, we wil have too buy new assets that fit for the new one too? Anyway, I hate the idea off paying for assets, and I think this is gonna hurt ED in the long run, I can imagine that if someone playing IL2 bos/clod that maybe was intrested in DCS WW2 before is gonna be put off by this great news. Also, is this gonna be the norm for every theater we buy from now on? Nah my intrest in DCS WW2 just went from exited to dissapointed, im gonna stay with IL 2 for now and just play modern warfare for free in the Georgia theater(or maybe when 2.5 comes out we have to pay for the improved terrain, assets in that map too)

 

No dates about the rest of WW2 assets can coming. Remember that list has not final and subject to change (surely others units can coming (more tanks) and surely more others assets. WW2 team surely can move to make other WW2 theater. Georgia and 2.5 has free, and the old modern assets has continually updated and added news, only check my unofficial road-map when I put the new and updated 3D models (on my signature).

Edited March 10, 2017 by Silver_Dragon

[Coxy_99]

Ok, that list was not in the newsletter i read, dunno where this came from but ok, still not complete ww2.. But how long will it take before we get the rest for free? Knowing how slow DCS development is maybe 5 too seven years before we will get all those assets and still its not a complete ww2 scenario, maybe it was all units that was fighting over normandy, dunno, but what is next, when we get a new ww2 theater, we wil have too buy new assets that fit for the new one too? Anyway, I hate the idea off paying for assets, and I think this is gonna hurt ED in the long run, I can imagine that if someone playing IL2 bos/clod that maybe was intrested in DCS WW2 before is gonna be put off by this great news. Also, is this gonna be the norm for every theater we buy from now on? Nah my intrest in DCS WW2 just went from exited to dissapointed, im gonna stay with IL 2 for now and just play modern warfare for free in the Georgia theater(or maybe when 2.5 comes out we have to pay for the improved terrain, assets in that map too)

 

Im not sure why ED would make everything for "free" Its like me turning up to Ford and wanting a brand new car for "free" There going to say some swear words, ED is a business and a job which needs to pay a wage.

[98abaile]

I can sort of understand releasing the assets as a separate product for those who wish to use WWII planes in Georgia and other maps without having to buy Normandy, but to sell the Normandy map without the assets is just going to cause confusion and give rise to accusations of nickel and diming the customer.

 

I was always under the assumption that the assets were going to be included.

 

Players are going to be furious if they bought just the map without knowing about the bundle and then find out that they can't play with the assets and they'll have to buy a whole module at extra cost just to be able to play.

 

This was a horrendously bad decision on ED's part.

[sobek]

Im not sure why ED would make everything for "free" Its like me turning up to Ford and wanting a brand new car for "free" There going to say some swear words, ED is a business and a job which needs to pay a wage.

 

So far, i have seen very few persons argue the price, but instead the rising complexity of differing configurations is troublesome. In the past, when you lacked a module, you could still join the mission but not fly the aircraft you lacked. Now there is more and more paid content that excludes you from a mission entirely if you don't own it.

[Coxy_99]

So far, i have seen very few persons argue the price, but instead the rising complexity of differing configurations is troublesome. In the past, when you lacked a module, you could still join the mission but not fly the aircraft you lacked. Now there is more and more paid content that excludes you from a mission entirely if you don't own it.

 

I dont believe thats the case, I think you could still join a server with asset packs, However if you did not have the assist packs you could still join that server, Only difference being you could not use anything from the pack I.E if you did not own the C-101 you could still see it in server and able tto join that server, What would be disastrous would be not owning the assist packs and unable to join that server because you did not have a pack, I completely agree on you need to buy the map yes same as Nevada.

[cichlidfan]

I dont believe thats the case, I think you could still join a server with asset packs, However if you did not have the assist packs you could still join that server, Only difference being you could not use anything from the pack I.E if you did not own the C-101 you could still see it in server and able tto join that server, What would be disastrous would be not owning the assist packs and unable to join that server because you did not have a pack, I completely agree on you need to buy the map yes same as Nevada.

 

You may not believe it but that is what has been stated. If you do not own the Asset Pack, you cannot join a server that is using it.

[Coxy_99]

You may not believe it but that is what has been stated. If you do not own the Asset Pack, you cannot join a server that is using it.

 

That would be ED's biggest downfall IMHO from a business point of view. I have already seen Wags comment and ED are looking at the comments and feedback, So lets hope they take things into account, Maybe they were just dipping the big toe to test the water?

[Ragequits]

That would be ED's biggest downfall IMHO from a business point of view. I have already seen Wags comment and ED are looking at the comments and feedback, So lets hope they take things into account, Maybe they were just dipping the big toe to test the water?

 

Now I know why I had the feeling that we were not really talking about the same point in our little discussion :D

But yeah that is also my concern with the upcoming carrier modules that are going to be released because I don't see a way to do it without excluding everyone who does not own these modules. I mean how do you want to prevent players from landing on it in multiplayer if they don't own the carrier module? :D

[NineLine]

Please mind the punctuation. Nowhere did i write that you were throwing a tantrum.

 

Also i'm not accusing you of anything. I just find it sad to see a paying customer brushed off when he comes here with a concern. It is well intended criticism.

 

Perhaps re-read your posts, maybe you have been hanging out somewhere else too much?

[kaboki]

Im not sure why ED would make everything for "free" Its like me turning up to Ford and wanting a brand new car for "free" There going to say some swear words, ED is a business and a job which needs to pay a wage.

 

 

I have not asked for everything for "free", but Ii was under the assumtion when i buy a ww2 map It would include all units that is needed to simulate the theater, what else would i need a ww2 map for... 40 bucks for it all I think would be fair and they should not be separate products wich will only make poeple angry and can cause alot of confusion. Having a little bit less steeper price to buy into DCS ww2 i would tink would attract more people, hence more money too ED even if they sell things a little cheaper. I know they have to earn money and stuff, but they sell planes and maps, that should be enough. Imagine if IL 2 started taking money for the assets, would anyone buy into that sim at all, im sure DCS fanboys (me excluded) have no problem with it, im more worried about the potential other customers coming in from the other ww2 sims...

[fasteddie1]

I think the 'assets' should have all been included in the map, even if I had to pay extra I would have because I know all the hard work put in it.

Paying extra for 'assets' can cause alot of confusion but I think ED was concerned people might think the price of the map was too high so they decided to separate it.

[NineLine]

That would be ED's biggest downfall IMHO from a business point of view. I have already seen Wags comment and ED are looking at the comments and feedback, So lets hope they take things into account, Maybe they were just dipping the big toe to test the water?

 

I cant agree with that, its as simple as this, if you want to take part in WWII scenarios, you by the WWII units pack. If you want to fly on a server that is a WWII scenario using the WWII units pack, you need to own the the WWII units pack. Not sure why anyone would want to play in a WWII scenario without WWII units? Want to escort lo-res boxes instead of B-17s because you didnt want to pay 30 bucks? And people saying its not about the price... it is, or else people would just buy it and there would be no issue of fragmentation.

[rjetster1]

SiTh is right… this is silly. I cannot believe what I am reading here. It couldn’t be any clearer in regards to what ED is doing. Simply stated their giving everyone the choice. I just purchased the bundle for $47.99 which includes everything. Doesn’t get any easier than that. Look what you are getting for that price… what a steal!

[NineLine]

I have not asked for everything for "free", but Ii was under the assumtion when i buy a ww2 map It would include all units that is needed to simulate the theater, what else would i need a ww2 map for... 40 bucks for it all I think would be fair and they should not be separate products wich will only make poeple angry and can cause alot of confusion. Having a little bit less steeper price to buy into DCS ww2 i would tink would attract more people, hence more money too ED even if they sell things a little cheaper. I know they have to earn money and stuff, but they sell planes and maps, that should be enough. Imagine if IL 2 started taking money for the assets, would anyone buy into that sim at all, im sure DCS fanboys (me excluded) have no problem with it, im more worried about the potential other customers coming in from the other ww2 sims...

 

Its not strictly a WWII map though, you can fly any era you like there. If someone wants the new map for other reasons then WWII, no you suggest to force them to buy units they may not want, its the same difference.

 

ED is selling a pack that adds the ability to create WWII scenarios in any terrain they sell, if you want to have a WWII scenario, you need the WWII asset pack.

Edited March 10, 2017 by NineLine

[kaboki]

Its nt strictly a WWII map though, you can fly any era you like there. If someone wants the new map for other reasons then WWII, no you suggest to force them to buy units they may not want, its the same difference.

 

 

Oh really, yeah sure you can fly whatever you want, but it is afterall a ww2 map with buildings, atlantic wall and airport from that era, not a modern version of normandy, so it is a ww2 theater even if one tries to imagine it to be somthing else.... if it was 2 maps in one on the other hand, one modern and one old version I would agree with you, but it is not.. The name Normandy 1944 says it all....

Edited March 10, 2017 by kaboki

[Coxy_99]

@Sith i get all the points, I like the discussion :) i will add tho i brought the Normandy and the pack i love my DCS so to me this and its pricing does not bother me :) I just like looking from outside the box. :thumbup:

[NineLine]

Oh really, yeah sure you can fly whatever you want, but it is afterall a ww2 map with buildings, atlantic wall and airport from that era, not a modern version of normandy, so it is a ww2 theater even if one tries to imagine it to be somthing else.... if it was 2 maps in one on the other hand, one modern and one old version I would agree with you, but it is not..

 

You know a number of the airfields in the Black Sea map arent used anymore? I will make sure ED removes all those so its more realistic. WWII guys had made due for years flying their birds in modern times with a lot of enjoyment, I can launch an A-10 from one of those Normandy fields, or an F/A-18 from a carrier with no issue as well.

[NineLine]

@Sith i get all the points, I like the discussion :) i will add tho i brought the Normandy and the pack i love my DCS so to me this and its pricing does not bother me :) I just like looking from outside the box. :thumbup:

 

I get the main issue, but I still believe that anyone wanting a WWII experience is going to want the WWII units, so fragmentation wont be a huge issue... there is already 2000+ people that will have the pack, plus those that have pre-ordered today.

[kaboki]

You know a number of the airfields in the Black Sea map arent used anymore? I will make sure ED removes all those so its more realistic

 

That would be nice, im all in for realism