KansasCS Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I would like to see a comprehensive and complete overhaul of all currently used missiles in DCS, particularly concerning standarization across modules. MiG21 IR missiles perform differently than their FC3 counterparts, pending a patch by Leatherneck. Also, proximity fuzing needs to happen for those missiles that have it in real life. Jets being grazed by missiles unharmed is outrageous. Lastly,the AIM120C seems poorly modeled. Below is a video demonstrating the problem. DCS AMRAAMs never follow a lofting profile. ${1} Further reading that might help ED develop a better model: http://www.zaretto.com/sites/zaretto.com/files/missile-aerodynamic-data/AIM120C5-Performance-Assessment-rev2.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1. Don't compare DCS with other softwares, mods and ED doesn't like it 2. proximity fuze is limited to the capabilities of the engine 3. advanced flight models of weapons WIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KansasCS Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) 1. Don't compare DCS with other softwares, mods and ED doesn't like it I wasn't aware of that. 2. proximity fuze is limited to the capabilities of the engine Then the engine is in dire need of some fixing :) 3. advanced flight models of weapons WIP All I needed to hear! Thanks! :) Edit: I just read the rules and noticed that line concerning 'other software'. However, I hope in this case the mods can maybe let it slide, seeing as it pertains to a specific problem at hand, being the missile characteristics and the video demonstrates it like no other. It was not my intention to directly compare the two games as a whole :) I hope it is ok. Edited March 21, 2017 by KansasCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 welcome to the party, the topic has been done to death and then some, and by people more invested in this than you are. the only thing we can do is wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOSCO Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Have there been any updates on this though? I feel like there haven't been any updates and they keep updating other parts of the sim that aren't as important. Missiles need to be a priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 16, 2018 ED Team Share Posted April 16, 2018 Have there been any updates on this though? I feel like there haven't been any updates and they keep updating other parts of the sim that aren't as important. Missiles need to be a priority. They hired a new guy for this some time ago, but its been slow going and not much new info, but its a known priority. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Wags did make a brief mention of missiles in one of the latest Hornet live streams. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Wags did make a brief mention of missiles in one of the latest Hornet live streams. And he said what? I missed that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 They hired a new guy for this some time ago, but its been slow going and not much new info, but its a known priority. Bad hire or what? Or just a slow going process by design/as expected? This is a HUGE miss currently for DCS, so it's good to have it reiterated that this is a top priority. All the pretty graphics in the world can't mask the fact that A/A combat is grossly broken in DCS' current state. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandingCow Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Bad hire or what? Or just a slow going process by design/as expected? This is a HUGE miss currently for DCS, so it's good to have it reiterated that this is a top priority. All the pretty graphics in the world can't mask the fact that A/A combat is grossly broken in DCS' current state. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Just a guess but... this stuff probably takes a lot of research and isn't just a "tuning fix" that other games can do to balance things. DCS isn't about balance but realism. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 improved air to air missiles Just a guess but... this stuff probably takes a lot of research and isn't just a "tuning fix" that other games can do to balance things. DCS isn't about balance but realism. Understood, hence why I didn't make any claims about it just being a tuning fix or about looking to achieve balance. Just asked for more color on "slow going with not much to update on". Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StandingCow Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Understood, hence why I didn't make any claims about it just being a tuning fix or about looking to achieve balance. Just asked for more color on "slow going with not much to update on". Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I forget when Wags last commented on it being worked on...? 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svend_Dellepude Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 And he said what? I missed that one [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Win10 64, Asus Maximus VIII Formula, i5 6600K, Geforce 980 GTX Ti, 32 GB Ram, Samsung EVO SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted April 19, 2018 ED Team Share Posted April 19, 2018 Bad hire or what? Or just a slow going process by design/as expected? This is a HUGE miss currently for DCS, so it's good to have it reiterated that this is a top priority. All the pretty graphics in the world can't mask the fact that A/A combat is grossly broken in DCS' current state. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1st, this is a little rude starting out with the bad hire comment... 2nd, missiles need lots of a love, but they want to do it in a way that makes them better going forward and when adding new ones. Its not just telling DCS how a missile acts, they need to research info, gather it up, then convert it into what DCS will understand, and tune it to work right. I know there are mods to make them "better" but I think we all expect ED to do more than just mod them, we want a quality fix, and that is what they are working on. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester2138 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 +1 to missiles. This and memory management are the main things I'd love to see improved in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1st, this is a little rude starting out with the bad hire comment... Definitely wasn't intended to be rude, it was just an open question based on the way I had read your comment (I read it as it as "things aren't working out as planned"). Wasn't sure if there was then a change after the fact to remedy that. I obviously misinterpreted that, my mistake...my apologies for that, it was not intended to be rude in any way. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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