acdelta57 Posted May 10, 2017 Posted May 10, 2017 Not a wish list thread or complaint or anything there of. Just an honest question to the developer or anyone who has proof, will there ever be engine damage modeling? By this I mean excessive EGT or low/high rpm repercussions etc. *most threads that mentions this topic are years old, I'm just trying to get any sort of hint of evidence that the Huey is not "forgotten" Thanks! BTW still my favorite developer! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]1000 miles of road will take you around town, a 1000 feet of runway can take you around the world...unless your in a Huey, you can go anywhere with no runway in a Huey! multiplayer name ''DustOff=3=6''
DaveRindner Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 The engine is simulated, to sort. EGT is simulated by failiure to start and by fire or smoke in engine bay. In real world Huey's, engine is controlled by governor, with back up governor, and then manual throttle. The sim is same. Too much systems modeling cuts into flight performance and FPS. In this sim, like in real world, the challenge is flying the helicopter, then fighting.
FragBum Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 It's modelled in the Gazelle and there are charts in the Huey manual of EGT verses max time at x temp. I attempt to fly within these parameters (including others). As for flying it to destruction modelling it might make us better understand the relationship of lots of power verses staying airborne. I'm sure it will come to the Huey as well as multi-crew. Control is an illusion which usually shatters at the least expected moment. Gazelle Mini-gun version is endorphins with rotors. See above. Currently rolling with a Asus Z390 Prime, 9600K, 32GB RAM, SSD, 2080Ti and Windows 10Pro, Rift CV1. bu0836x and Scratch Built Pedals, Collective and Cyclic.
acdelta57 Posted May 13, 2017 Author Posted May 13, 2017 Aesthetics are somewhat modeled, hot start flames that's about it. As someone with thousands of hours in RW aircraft I understand not every detail can be simulated. But the lack of complete engine management is not modeled in the Huey. It is in many other modules, look at the warbirds for example, improper handling and you will have corresponding failures. And No, in the real world the challenge is not flying, it IS fighting. The helicopter becomes an extension of your body. Short of mast bumping there are no repercussions to improper engine use. You can even continue to hold the start button down during a hot start and continue to start the engine even tho it would most likely be melting at its core and not able to start ever agin. I know bellsimtek is more than capable. I'm just curious if this is/was/still ever on their list of features to add. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]1000 miles of road will take you around town, a 1000 feet of runway can take you around the world...unless your in a Huey, you can go anywhere with no runway in a Huey! multiplayer name ''DustOff=3=6''
FragBum Posted May 13, 2017 Posted May 13, 2017 Aesthetics are somewhat modeled, hot start flames that's about it. As someone with thousands of hours in RW aircraft I understand not every detail can be simulated. But the lack of complete engine management is not modeled in the Huey. It is in many other modules, look at the warbirds for example, improper handling and you will have corresponding failures. And No, in the real world the challenge is not flying, it IS fighting. The helicopter becomes an extension of your body. Short of mast bumping there are no repercussions to improper engine use. You can even continue to hold the start button down during a hot start and continue to start the engine even tho it would most likely be melting at its core and not able to start ever agin. I know bellsimtek is more than capable. I'm just curious if this is/was/still ever on their list of features to add. I'm actually agreeing with you. Control is an illusion which usually shatters at the least expected moment. Gazelle Mini-gun version is endorphins with rotors. See above. Currently rolling with a Asus Z390 Prime, 9600K, 32GB RAM, SSD, 2080Ti and Windows 10Pro, Rift CV1. bu0836x and Scratch Built Pedals, Collective and Cyclic.
ED Team PilotMi8 Posted May 14, 2017 ED Team Posted May 14, 2017 _I'm just curious if this is/was/still ever on their list of features to add. The damage of HUEY-engine (due to overheating) now WIP!)) The model will be implemented with the accumulation of overheating (as well as with cooling). In general quite flexible in accounting for overheating and cooling (i hope so))) 4
Esac_mirmidon Posted May 14, 2017 Posted May 14, 2017 One of the most waited news ever for me. I hope you will be able to model the overtorque and overheating properly according to real manual. Thanks for the news. I know a real Huey pilot, is my friend and we are members of a virtual squad flying together. Here in this forum his name is McFlurry. If you need some advice, help or info about that please contact him. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
acdelta57 Posted May 14, 2017 Author Posted May 14, 2017 Super exciting news! Very excited! Long live the Huey!!!!!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]1000 miles of road will take you around town, a 1000 feet of runway can take you around the world...unless your in a Huey, you can go anywhere with no runway in a Huey! multiplayer name ''DustOff=3=6''
Pocket Sized Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 BST already has a pretty comprehensive engine damage model in the Mi-8, so I have high hopes for the Huey. By the looks of it, they're also going to simulate damage caused by shutting down without letting the engine cool at idle first... this is probably gonna catch some people off guard. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works.
Rangi Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Great news, thanks PilotMi8! PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
msalama Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 The damage of HUEY-engine (due to overheating) now WIP! Thank you Sir. This year's best news so far :thumbup: The DCS Mi-8MTV2. The best aviational BBW experience you could ever dream of.
The Legman Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 This is awesome. Thanks for it. Huey is one of the best modules and it was a pity this was missing. DCS Discord community - https://discord.gg/U8aqzVT
lemoen Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 ooh boy, this is going to change things in Blue Flag a bit. No more "strip off door gunners, half fuel, governer off 125knots" for me :-(
acdelta57 Posted May 16, 2017 Author Posted May 16, 2017 I don't mean to diminish others wishes for engine modeling. With over 2000 hours on real turbines, never had a hot start. Why would you want to simulate one? I just don't get it, pointless trivia. A select box, perhaps, with give me a hot start and melt the engine. What is the point? Because you are trained how to NOT have a hot start. With nearly thousands of hours Turbine ive only seen 1 that was not pilot induced and it was on a PT6. The point is to have a fully simulated module, not one that can be abused, takes the fun away from those of us who enjoy the satisfaction the simulator can produce. At least thats why I would like to see it introduced [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]1000 miles of road will take you around town, a 1000 feet of runway can take you around the world...unless your in a Huey, you can go anywhere with no runway in a Huey! multiplayer name ''DustOff=3=6''
acdelta57 Posted May 16, 2017 Author Posted May 16, 2017 Immersion to not screw up. Probably combination of booth immersion and realism I guess? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]1000 miles of road will take you around town, a 1000 feet of runway can take you around the world...unless your in a Huey, you can go anywhere with no runway in a Huey! multiplayer name ''DustOff=3=6''
acdelta57 Posted May 16, 2017 Author Posted May 16, 2017 VR is an imaginary device. What is the point of that? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]1000 miles of road will take you around town, a 1000 feet of runway can take you around the world...unless your in a Huey, you can go anywhere with no runway in a Huey! multiplayer name ''DustOff=3=6''
Esac_mirmidon Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 Hot start is only a very little part of the problem. Flying ALL THE TIME over max EGT is UNREAL. You are flying a Huey not the Apollo XII. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
ESA Dodo Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 (edited) VR is immersion. Send me money for a hot start in a game. It is made up and not real. A dial goes up, comes down and an imaginary engine melts. What is the point of that? I respect your opinion but I can't share it. Everything in the simulator is an imaginary thing or fact. You can enjoy from a simple game or look for an imaginary thing called simulator, as close to the real thing as possible. That is your choice. Even more, you may learn from the second one if you wish just for fun or to apply the knowledge to the real life. That is what simulators are for too. I have never neither had a hot start while in active service, but I have seen some. And I have seen some DCS users jumping into the imaginary Huey, and cranking the bird without following the procedure. Some flames, exceded EGT limits, overtorque, and then go to fly with no problems at all. And that is fine? From my point of view, a good sim has to let the virtual pilot know that he made a mistake and to render the copter inoperative. A good sim has to behave as the real machine will do, even if you don't see any useful purpose on it. But it always will have at least one: to learn; I'll try to do it. Edited May 17, 2017 by McFlurry
FragBum Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 @Rotorhead11 The other part of modeling the engine is for those that hot rod the Huey i.e. push EGT to hard for to long. There should be consequences ranging loss of power to total failure. If in combat someone can hot rod around that is an unfair advantage. If it's modeled than it a more or less even playing field and requires more skill and management to not break you aircraft. If I push the Gazelle hard I'll get to a point where I don't have enough power to hover let alone fly. Yes I now manage engine parameters in both the Huey and Gazelle. I get just having fun and heck I do that as well maybe ignore some aspects in game mode but in sim mode it should be a sim. :) Robert Control is an illusion which usually shatters at the least expected moment. Gazelle Mini-gun version is endorphins with rotors. See above. Currently rolling with a Asus Z390 Prime, 9600K, 32GB RAM, SSD, 2080Ti and Windows 10Pro, Rift CV1. bu0836x and Scratch Built Pedals, Collective and Cyclic.
Esac_mirmidon Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 Well said McFlurry. Resumes all i think about it. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
acdelta57 Posted May 17, 2017 Author Posted May 17, 2017 You da man Mcflurry perfectly said [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]1000 miles of road will take you around town, a 1000 feet of runway can take you around the world...unless your in a Huey, you can go anywhere with no runway in a Huey! multiplayer name ''DustOff=3=6''
Esac_mirmidon Posted May 17, 2017 Posted May 17, 2017 When you fly inverted you like to see the Spitfire engine or the Mig-21 off? When you put negative G you like to see the Mig-21 engine off? When you overtorque the Gazelle you like the engine off? So why dont you want the Huey engine do the same when overheating or overtorque? Checking the Torque and the EGT is one of the most important things a Huey pilot is doing all the time while flying. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
lemoen Posted May 17, 2017 Posted May 17, 2017 Yeah, basic engine management is needed. The Huey has none. Switch it on, throttle max and go. Thereafter the only thing to worry about is rotor RPM. In reality this is not the case. I just run the Huey on MP with the governor switched off, to make it go faster, because I can. If the rules of the sim didn't allow me to do that, I wouldn't, either way, one learns what the limits are and push them.
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