M-2000c from Ralfis Alley <thought he could fly well oh boy!

[ZHeN]

Lol that was funny as hell :D

I got no hate for him

 

The only thing he was right about was the radar - not seeing a target infront running away :doh:

Edited June 11, 2017 by ZHeN

[gavagai]

 

The only thing he was right about was the radar - not seeing a target infront running away :doh:

 

That has happened to me a few times in the M2K. You have to switch the radar to interleaved to see a target with the same airspeed and heading, or get very close.

[T_A]

Honestly he`s getting so upset but he was doing so many things wrong .

looks like he was still learning the plane (he even suggested his HOTAS settings weren't done properly) , so i don`t get why all the rage.

 

Almost everything was RTFM issues.

[ZHeN]

That has happened to me a few times in the M2K. You have to switch the radar to interleaved to see a target with the same airspeed and heading, or get very close.

this happens to me every time I'm in a chase. Interleaved doesn't help at all, the only thing that helps is switching to special mode - boresight - and putting the target right into the chevron box. Finally it gets locked :\

[Esac_mirmidon]

This is a limitation of almost every Doppler Radar.

 

A co-altitude co-speed target is almost impossible to detect for a doppler radar. You need to build some speed/vertical difference.

[98abaile]

so i don`t get why all the rage.

He has a large following and youtube videos can be quite influential to a product's success. Him taking a dump on a module because of his own ineptitude is unfair to Razbam (especially after he besmirched them for their video quality). And if he knew that his poor performance was his own fault, then he had no reason to publish the video.

[sedenion]

Honestly he`s getting so upset but he was doing so many things wrong .

looks like he was still learning the plane (he even suggested his HOTAS settings weren't done properly) , so i don`t get why all the rage.

 

Almost everything was RTFM issues.

 

As i said, unfortunately, there is no decent "Manual" actually comming with the M2k, except the non-official "LeChuck" which is no more available for download... This simple fact is sufficient to minimize the "RTFM" argument. You can add, with this fact, another fact: The (Key/Joystick) commands names are obscure and their sorting is pretty freaky, making theme hard to figure where to find what to do what.

 

After all what i read in this thread, i think the community (and Razbam) should face to some facts. For who just buy the M2k module and test for the first time, there is a good chance that the "average player" have a bad surprise, for some good reasons, and for some "less good" reasons.

 

- The famous "F* Manual" is simply not finished at all, almost useless and can barely help you except for navigation or engine start.

- The Controls commands are NOT sorted nor nammed in a "easy to find / easy to guess" way, and: They are not or bad documented.

- The HUD symbology is not finished, with lot of bad aligment, gross sprites (AOA), mipmap problems, and dirty aproximation (seriousely, did you see the missile DLZ ?)

- The VTB : same as HUD but less dramatical

- The Flight Model transforms the M2k to a flying brick, so the M2k is not fun to fly anymore since it is a Mirage III.

- The radar still have strange "lock loss", which you can imputs as you prefer to a "bug" or a "super realistic behavior", depending the point of view.

 

All that, after 2 years of people asking detailed implementation of INS, Air-Ground capabilities, pure respect to claimed "turn rate" and "mach number at given altitude), etc... 2 years of hard developpment to make happy a small part of the community with some very specifical aspects of the Mirage 2000 (sorry, this is what i think)... while the most obvious was simply "left as this".

 

The fact is that when you buy the M2k, if you are coherent with yourself, you buy it because this is a Air-Air fighter interceptor, not a bomber, nor an pleasance tourist aircraft... So you did not begins to adjust manually your INS, and you don't begins with CCRP bombing...

 

if i make a "M2k Review", you wil propbably hate me, but this would be only factual... some factual that some people don't want to see.. "Fortunately", the M2k still as "Open BETA"... and for how long ? ?

Edited June 11, 2017 by sedenion

[Vatikus]

Well said sedenion. If I look from my own experience, it took me a lot of time to dig out "RTFM" from various sources to be able to use M2K and of course, in the end to find out that I am hitting a wall of bugs which due to no proper manual are hard to notice as you do not have anything solid to compare to.

 

"Fortunately", the M2k still as "Open BETA"... and for how long ? ?

This is false. ED's store does not list M2K as an early access, nor is STEAM. By this, I, as a customer, am taking ED's stance over fanboi apologism. Edited June 11, 2017 by Vatikus

[sedenion]

This is false. ED's store does not list M2K as an early access, nor is STEAM. By this, I, as a customer, am taking ED's stance over fanboi apologism.

 

I was not aware of that... so, clearly, there is no more reason for complacency indulgence... (and i even don't say that as a "disappointed customer", but from a more general and common sense point of view). Razbam must ASAP:

 

- Finish the manual

- Take some time to review the commands name and sorting

- Fix the Flight Model

- Review and be clear about the radar behavior

- Finish/Fix the HUD and VTB symbology

- Better figure out what is a "Finished Work".

 

EDIT: The M2k module is not a bad module, but currently, this is a not finished module, and there is no relativism to have with that, because this is obvious. Razbam should take 1-2 month full-time to totally review and finish the M2k, assuming that some small or secondary bug can remain and be fixed in more large time window.

Edited June 11, 2017 by sedenion

[Dugong]

I was not aware of that... so, clearly, there is no more reason for complacency indulgence... (and i even don't say that as a "disappointed customer", but from a more general and common sense point of view). Razbam must ASAP:

 

- Finish the manual

- Take some time to review the commands name and sorting

- Fix the Flight Model

- Review and be clear about the radar behavior

- Finish/Fix the HUD and VTB symbology

- Better figure out what is a "Finished Work".

 

Indeed, not to mention

- terrain avoidance mode

- hud brightness controls

- rwr brighness controls

- BAP 100/120

- radar memory

- radar panel switchology

- replace belouga placeholder with a properly modelled solution.

 

After so long after release, my goodwill towards RAZBAM is rapidly draining away, and future modules from RAZBAM have gone from a definite buy to a will not buy.

Edited June 11, 2017 by Dugong

[BarTzi]

What are you guys bashing RAZBAM for? I mean- sure the manual isn't complete and the plane is missing features, but I am sure they will get to it (I am just as sad as you are about it). It's clear that they are not prioritizing the M2k at the moment, but they will get back to it and fix all the issues 100%. Why am I so sure? because if they don't, it will seriously hurt their credibility, to the point some people will reconsider buying their next module. No company wants that.

 

Ralfi clearly stated that he is still learning the plane (and yes- at the moment, it is a hard thing to do - but it is very possible). The last video he posted flying the Mirage, he didn't even flip the cat switch. So every rookie mistake he made in that video is his fault. We all made those stupid mistakes, we all got frustrated and we all have our funny stories. This is how you learn things.

Edited June 11, 2017 by BarTzi

[sedenion]

Indeed, not to mention

- terrain avoidance mode

- hud brightness controls

- rwr brighness controls

- BAP 100/120

- radar memory

- radar panel switchology

- replace belouga placeholder with a properly modelled solution.

 

After so long after release, my goodwill towards RAZBAM is rapidly draining away, and future modules from RAZBAM have gone from a definite buy to a will not buy.

 

Personally, i am less regarding about the not-implemented feature, but many more about the general impression of "unfinished" and "buggy" status of the module currently: and be sure that is precisely what a new customer see immediately: THIS IS NOT FINISHED. And because, this is almost what happened with this module: during 2 years people asking for "new feature" while the current implemented ones was not even properly finished. In this place, some years ago, you could had find many people asking urgently for buddy laser targeting or refueling features, while many vital things was totally buggy or even not implemented at all...

 

Clearly, after almost 2 years reading people here, i am very tired of people that always ask for new feature while the HUD just look horrible or while the radar is not even able to keep a target locked correctly... and i want to say amically, for all people like me (and i know i am not alone, even if a am the most noisy) : Let the developpers finish the current features, manual, gameplay, and esthetical parts as they should be... and after, we will see if we realy need a "terrain avoidance mode" to fullfill the "super hardcore" avionic modelisation...

[Esac_mirmidon]

Complaining competition in 3.2.1......

[myHelljumper]

Complaining competition in 3.2.1......

 

Got some popcorn, you want some ?

[BIGNEWY]

the topic was "M-2000c from Ralfis Alley"

 

seeing as we are now off topic I will go ahead and close the thread