Heavies for DCS World

[Pasquale1986]

Hey everyone,

 

i would really love to see the possibility to fly some heavy bombers in DCS especially the B-52H or the B-1B and the TU-22M. I don't know if that would be possible with the DCS engine but i would assume ist is since we got the BUFF for example as an AI ingame and multicrew is on the horizon.

 

I think it would be a really nice addition to the Sim and would fill a big hole in the Line Up.

 

So why not do something completely new and give us DCS: B-52H :pilotfly:

 

Cheers

[probad]

not with the current ecm mechanics

[firmek]

First it would be great to get a consistent set of bombers AI units implemented in DCS.

At the moment the situation with heavies for a mission designers is a small disaster. DCS desparetelly needs more AI bombers like B-26, B-29, B-36, B-47, ealier versions of B-52 (F), B-57, Tu-4, working Tu-95 which could actually drop the bombs, and probably many more. They don't have to be a quality of the WWII assets pack.

[Pasquale1986]

not with the current ecm mechanics

 

Hey probad, why are the current ECM-mechanics limiting the possibility of flyable heavies?

 

Cheers

[MikeMikeJuliet]

Well, these guys are currently working towards the -22 and are working to get a 3rd party status in the future. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=166332

 

You are welcome.

 

Regards,

MikeMikeJuliet

[Pasquale1986]

First it would be great to get a consistent set of bombers AI units implemented in DCS.

At the moment the situation with heavies for a mission designers is a small disaster. DCS desparetelly needs more AI bombers like B-26, B-29, B-36, B-47, ealier versions of B-52 (F), B-57, Tu-4, working Tu-95 which could actually drop the bombs, and probably many more. They don't have to be a quality of the WWII assets pack.

 

According to Silver Dragon AI and model updates as well as the addition of new AI bombers is planned:

 

*201?

 

+ New / Update Artificial Intelligence / 3D Models:

-- Aircraft / Helos

--- B-52 (Planned)

--- Tu-95 (Planned)

--- WW2 AI Units

---- Avro Lancaster (Planned)

---- B-24 Liberator (Planned)

---- B-25 Mitchell (Planned)

---- B-26 Marauder (Planned)

 

I think it would be nice - especially in 70's up scenarios - if the heavies could be player controlled and the development of such a module would be a good opertunity to take on the AI as well since interaction is needed in the most single player missions anyway :) Other than that i agree

[Pasquale1986]

Well, these guys are currently working towards the -22 and are working to get a 3rd party status in the future. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=166332

 

You are welcome.

 

Regards,

MikeMikeJuliet

 

Awesome MikeMikeJuliet and many thanks for the heads up :thumbup:

 

That might be a precedent - the one way or the other. The project looks promising but very ambitious as well - hope the guys succeed

[firmek]

According to Silver Dragon AI and model updates as well as the addition of new AI bombers is planned:...

Thanks for the info. Aside of WWII bombers there is nothing new. Specifically, setting up any mission with bombers for Korea or Vietnam era is a big issue at the moment.

[Pasquale1986]

Thanks for the info. Aside of WWII bombers there is nothing new. Specifically, setting up any mission with bombers for Korea or Vietnam era is a big issue at the moment.

 

I hope that will change since Silver Dragon lists Vietnam Era as "planned"

[Exorcet]

Hey probad, why are the current ECM-mechanics limiting the possibility of flyable heavies?

 

Cheers

It won't really limit the possibility of flying them, but ECM is one of the main defenses of these planes. With the very simple DCS ECM modeling, realistic encounters with enemy forces might not be possible.

[QuiGon]

It won't really limit the possibility of flying them, but ECM is one of the main defenses of these planes. With the very simple DCS ECM modeling, realistic encounters with enemy forces might not be possible.

Indeed!

 

Quote from a former USAF Phantom WSO:

We would usually run our intercepts no-lock until within shooting parameters to try to avoid telegraphing our intentions - locking on was a sure way to trigger a defensive move or some serious jamming (B-52Ds could do evil things to your radar if you locked then up, as I found out one day over the Yellow Sea west of Osan).

Edited August 9, 2017 by QuiGon

[Art-J]

Silver Dragon has been browsing the forum and other media for years, patiently collecting all snippets of information he can find about various official and unofficial DSCW developments. That being said, half of items on his list are wishful thinking of studios and individuals, falling in the same category as "when I grow up, I'll be an astronaut".

 

I wouldn't put too much weight on these "planned" features If I were You.

[Pasquale1986]

Indeed!

 

Quote from a former USAF Phantom WSO:

 

Nice one. Maybe a bomber module would be a nice possibility to start giving ECM mechanics some love then.

 

Silver Dragon has been browsing the forum and other media for years, patiently collecting all snippets of information he can find about various official and unofficial DSCW developments. That being said, half of items on his list are wishful thinking of studios and individuals, falling in the same category as "when I grow up, I'll be an astronaut".

 

I wouldn't put too much weight on these "planned" features If I were You.

 

Thanks for the clarification Art-J :thumbup:

[Magic Zach]

I think as far as flyable WWII heavy bombers, bad idea.

Multiplayer being multiplayer, having flyable heavies will be haphazard and disorganized. A lot of bombers will fly out solo, and will be fairly easy to knock on. Even with TS squadrons, they won't be big enough.

However, for a very controlled, scheduled server with many squadrons joining in, it may work out great. Also, low maneuverability, and easy to pick off in low numbers. There is a reason that raids were hundreds strong.

I think we should lean towards more light ground attack aircraft, such as the JU-87. It's maneuverable, can carry powerful and heavy loadouts, and has gunner. Only a 2 crew ship.

This is all IMO, btw.

[DoomEngine]

How about a B-17 crew? Can you imagine the chaos? :music_whistling:

[Magic Zach]

How about a B-17 crew? Can you imagine the chaos? :music_whistling:

I imagine flipping around between different crew members might get a little exhausting and cumbersome. Flying a B17 would be quite fun, but it may not fit into a role easily into DCS's MP. I'm a "prophead", so I will not deny that if even a flyable bomber is released, I will buy n' fly.

[Pasquale1986]

I think it will be very interesting to see what "Jester" - the AI F-14 RIO - Heatblur will install in their Tomcat will act like. If that works and Jester performs comparable to a human RIO then there will be a lot of options for things like B-1B's and B-52H's.

 

Yes, Jester will call out launches that he/she sees. We will have a realistic vision system, so it will not in any way be overpowered.

 

I don't know if you could transcript that 1on1 to a B-17G or a B-29. But it seems at least possible

[Worrazen]

Existing and AI external models, destruction models, damage effects and more things in ME to use them for bomb runs etc, is one of the things on my top things list, and if there's some new that won't hurt at all.

 

When trying to showcase or just play DCS, unless it's MP, the AI units are what makes the majority of how the whole thing will look like to the public, even if people know under the hood and other areas are all great, the visuals do have a psychological effect nontheless, so if the planes fall down like math figures it does affect the impression of the whole game.

Edited August 15, 2017 by Worrazen