Replacing MFG Crosswind by VKB-Sim T-Rudder Pedals Mk.IV

[Rogue Trooper]

Finally... a dissatisfied customer!

[Quadg]

Finally... a dissatisfied customer!

 

 

:)

 

MFG crosswinds, great for flying airplanes.

 

but bad for flying offices.

[Barefoot Bandit]

Finally... a dissatisfied customer!

 

More a case of being the wrong tool for the job, I'd say, rather than being unsatisfied with the product itself.

 

:)

 

MFG crosswinds, great for flying airplanes.

 

but bad for flying offices.

 

Exactly!

 

I have Baur's excellent F3, and it is not very good with my office chair set up - though I knew that, and is why I have the T-rudder MKIII's. I bought the BRD F3's for my sim pit build, for which it is *exactly* the right tool for the job.

 

Z...

[hansangb]

methinks he was being funny about it. I'm sure you can't go wrong with any of them (MFG, Baur, Slaw etc.)

[Simicro]

methinks he was being funny about it. I'm sure you can't go wrong with any of them (MFG, Baur, Slaw etc.)

 

I don't see what is funny in not being happy with the default unstability of the MFG and not feeling comfortable with them from a desk chair.

 

I know another guy on this forum who went from MFG to VKB.

[NeilWillis]

The simplest way to getting complete stability with your MFG pedals is to screw them directly to the floor. Under your desk they're out of the way. Very simple solution, and also very cheap!

[Simicro]

Thanks, yes I know, and it has been said many times already in this thread, but that does not solve my feeling not comfortable.

[NeilWillis]

Yes, I understand, but the pedals are in every other respect perfect. Often, the simplest and least expensive solutions are the best. It is such a shame to miss out on a great set of pedals.

[Simicro]

I now feel comfortable with the vertical movement and usability of the VKB MK.IV

[komemiute]

Hey Simicro, have you sold your MFG Crosswind? If not would you consider it?

[Barefoot Bandit]

The simplest way to getting complete stability with your MFG pedals is to screw them directly to the floor. Under your desk they're out of the way. Very simple solution, and also very cheap!

 

Not always an option... Because, concrete floor, or, you know, you rent, and screw holes in floors don't go down well. OR, the motion from an office chair is simply not comfortable.

 

Z...

[Simicro]

Hey Simicro, have you sold your MFG Crosswind? If not would you consider it?

 

I would but only to somebody living near Paris-France who can come and pick up the rudders. I don't want to send it through the Post Office.

[hansangb]

There are pages and pages and pages of positive reviews of Milan's MFGs. So Rogue Trooper was highlighting that it finally got one "bad" review.

[dburne]

Not always an option... Because, concrete floor, or, you know, you rent, and screw holes in floors don't go down well. OR, the motion from an office chair is simply not comfortable.

 

Z...

 

I have a concrete floor in my area where my rig is set up, have a nice thick rubber mat that the pedals sit on - holds them in place nicely for me.

[Barefoot Bandit]

I have a concrete floor in my area where my rig is set up, have a nice thick rubber mat that the pedals sit on - holds them in place nicely for me.

 

Not denying it works, but, as I say, from an office chair set up, it's not really the most comfortable of movements.

 

Z...

[Tvrdi]

Guys, who owns VKB MK4. One user said it is very easy to accidentaly move the pedal since the footh is resting on them. And this can be an issue if you use them on longer flights becasue your foot cant be fully "rested " on them since otherwise you will push the pedal down a bit.....when you in a straight flight.

What is your experience?

[Sokol1_br]

Depends on user, I use T-Rudder (MK.II) barefoot with toes only over pedal bar, so no unwanted inputs.

 

In a longer flight I don't need keep the foot over pedal bar all time, and by just rotate foot over the hell a bit can remove/place the foot over the pedal bar.

 

In a conventional office chair I find use then more comfortable than a previous CH pedal.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Sokol1_br

[BlacleyCole]

I’m not sure of the spacing on the products you referred to but i prefer my vkb pedals over the pedals on my pft puma and my saitek and the older thrustmaster serial ones they are small portable and work very well. I know your current pedals are the idea choice for fixed wing but i prefer the vkb myself.

[Gman109]

I have a pile of pedals, MFG, Slaw, VKB, Chx2, Saitekx2, and more. Of the custom pedals, iMO the VKB stays put the best on carpeted floors out of the box. There are lots of ways you can make any set stay put, velcro, wood mounts, etc.

 

 

One reason the VKB stay put is the way they function. MFG for example, you're pushing from the knee, your foot stays flat and pretty motionless on the pedal, where as with the VKB your knee/leg is locked and motionless (mostly), and the ankle does most of the movement. This results in less overall pressing on the pedal platform in total, which results in it not tending to move the entire pedal set as much. Also the direction of the pressure with the VKB movement is more down, where as with MFG and others like it, the press from the knee/leg is more forward than the VKB movement is. Net result is the VKB will stay put for me on any surface with no mods/velcro/etc, but my MFG and Slaw pedals I've added velcro/etc to both to help keep them in place.

 

 

Also, the ankle being a much finer motor skill than the knee/leg movement, usually the VKB lets you be a pit more precise, but YMMV on that.

Edited March 31, 2018 by Gman109

[Tvrdi]

I have a pile of pedals, MFG, Slaw, VKB, Chx2, Saitekx2, and more. Of the custom pedals, iMO the VKB stays put the best on carpeted floors out of the box. There are lots of ways you can make any set stay put, velcro, wood mounts, etc.

 

 

One reason the VKB stay put is the way they function. MFG for example, you're pushing from the knee, your foot stays flat and pretty motionless on the pedal, where as with the VKB your knee/leg is locked and motionless (mostly), and the ankle does most of the movement. This results in less overall pressing on the pedal platform in total, which results in it not tending to move the entire pedal set as much. Also the direction of the pressure with the VKB movement is more down, where as with MFG and others like it, the press from the knee/leg is more forward than the VKB movement is. Net result is the VKB will stay put for me on any surface with no mods/velcro/etc, but my MFG and Slaw pedals I've added velcro/etc to both to help keep them in place.

 

 

Also, the ankle being a much finer motor skill than the knee/leg movement, usually the VKB lets you be a pit more precise, but YMMV on that.

 

I cannot decide between BRD, VKB and MFG. MFGs are the widest and most comfortable but there still isnt a "combat" version of foot rests (Milan said long ago he will make them) compatible with MFG pedals where heels are on the floor. BRDs are nice but dont know anything about them besides pictures. VKBs are kinda more heli pedals and apparently very narrow (like CH) which I dont realy like to be honest. Also MFGs are adjustable in many ways.

[TheBamse]

I'd say the opposite when it comes to being narrow. You can, if you want to altho I don't see why you'd want to, sit with your legs very close together and find good purchase, but since the "pedal" is a bar you can manspread quite a bit and still find good purchase ... and even if you go full-on teenager to prove me wrong you would even get nice control if you just used your toes on the edge of the bars :)

Im fat and I don't even have somewhere near an issue of very comfortably operating the VKB Mk. IV-pedals.

 

If it comes down to a persons like or dislike of helicopter styled pedals ... well, that's a different story :)

Edited April 5, 2018 by TheBamse

[Sokol1_br]

MFGs are the widest and most comfortable but there still isnt a "combat" version of foot rests .

 

3D print your own "combat foot rest" for MFG - this was "teaser" at more than a year, don't expect soon™.

[Drexx]

big problem for me: the VKB pedals don't have tow brakes from my understanding

[Berniyh]

big problem for me: the VKB pedals don't have tow brakes from my understanding

Yes, but now that grips with a brake leaver start to spawn everywhere I don't think it's a big deal anymore.

That is unless of course you are an immersion junky and have to have exactly what is in your aircraft. But then you'll have a lot of equipment anyway. :p

 

Ok and it would be a bit problematic for aircraft that really need two separated brake axis.

Luckily there are only few of those around. In most of them you can get away with a single (analogue) brake axis.

 

So IMO, it's fine. ;)

[gordon200]

big problem for me: the VKB pedals don't have tow brakes from my understanding

 

The way I have set up for toe brakes is to assign them to my Gladiator II joystick twist action. Since you are no longer using that function for rudder control and it has a progressive scale it seems natural to me.

While taxiing simply twist the grip in the direction you want to steer just as you would without pedals. You'll need to assign a button for applying both brakes as in the Spitfire for that function to work. Warthog etc have a pinky trigger.

With the VKB pedals your heel is on the floor not sitting in a cup a couple inches above it. The response is very precise and they return to center position smoothly as you release pressure without snapping in place. Same feeling from the Gladiator II (non pro).

When you need to apply rudder the motion on lowering my foot instead of twisting both my legs left and right is not only a lot less work but more natural. Imagine the difference between riding on a surfboard and Alpine skiing. Haha