SDsc0rch Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 word on the street is that movement on bringing red aircraft to (continued) high fidelity is hindered by the russian govt (???) and the f-15c ASM is "not on our plate" (belsimtek) i thought i've heard in the past that ED wanted to bring all FC3 a/c up to DCS level but it doesn't seem like we're not proceeding toward that goal with much intensity in the case of the redfor a/c....... in the interest of continuing improvement, wouldn't it be possible to turn over that segment of the DCS lineup to 3rd party devs, outside of russia and thus outside of the purview of russian jurisdiction? and in the case of the F-15C, before we launch in to new projects, shouldn't we finish up unfinished modules first? not trying to be argumentative or critical - just speaking in the interest of gaining the "best experience" possible from DCS thanks 1 i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I don't recall ever seeing ED say that they planned to bring the FC3 to DCS level...I only recall seeing the exact opposite over and over. Maybe I missed it? Do you have any sources for them saying this? VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 wasn't it wags that said it in one of his video interviews? i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texac Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The FC3 aircraft aren't supposed to receive an ASM update, only PFM updates and more system updates as we have seen it for the Su-33. I'm sure that this is stated like that since years and nothing changed on that so far. Almost all of the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft are finished/completed and this module is known for it's easier learning curve and overall handling without ASM which is the best experience for beginners that are newcomers to DCS World. - My Skins/Liveries - Improved F-16C Texture Template • Texac on YouTube • Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinusoidDelta Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) I do have some recollection of hearing that but can’t find a source. For the F-15C, I wish Belsimtek would consider a hand off to a third party developer as you described for the Redfor aircraft. I don’t see this happening though as the AFM is Belsimtek intellectual property which they likely wouldn’t give away for free. The FC3 aircraft aren't supposed to receive an ASM update, only PFM updates and more system updates as we have seen it for the Su-33. I'm sure that this is stated like that since years and nothing changed on that so far. System updates for the F-15C would be nice Edited October 24, 2017 by SinusoidDelta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 .... Almost all of the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft are finished/completed and this module is known for it's easier learning curve and overall handling without ASM which is the best experience for beginners that are newcomers to DCS World. if that's true ("if"), then that's really a raw deal for those of us who are really in to the eagle ----- i want to see the eagle brought up to DCS standards why should we be "penalized" by being stuck at FC3 levels because the eagle was developed back in LOMAC days...? but.. i really don't think that's true --- i think it is ED's desire to bring all FC3 a/c up to DCS level i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterH Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I personally don't recall such an intention ever being stated, at least in anything more than a passing statement of a wish. Don't get me wrong, it would be nice, but it doesn't look like going to happen soon. Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grunf Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The FC3 aircraft aren't supposed to receive an ASM update, only PFM updates and more system updates as we have seen it for the Su-33. I'm sure that this is stated like that since years and nothing changed on that so far. That's my understanding too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Yeah the 15 is one of those aircraft that truly deserves to be a full module. The 14 is coming, the 18 is almost here, the Harrier is close. When it comes to true 1980's iconic aircraft the only two missing in the North American sense is the 15 and the 16. I do hope it happens in the somewhat near future. 1 i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktoberfest Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 if that's true ("if"), then that's really a raw deal for those of us who are really in to the eagle ----- i want to see the eagle brought up to DCS standards why should we be "penalized" by being stuck at FC3 levels because the eagle was developed back in LOMAC days...? but.. i really don't think that's true --- i think it is ED's desire to bring all FC3 a/c up to DCS level In what way are you being penalized? So you can’t mouse click on buttons. Aside from that it’s pretty much the same already. What more would they add? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 In what way are you being penalized? So you can’t mouse click on buttons. Aside from that it’s pretty much the same already. What more would they add? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk A datalink, for starters. It's definitely not "pretty much the same." 1 VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktoberfest Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 A datalink, for starters. It's definitely not "pretty much the same." Did they have a datalink on early F15C? If so I could see why you’d want that, but I’m pretty sure that’s an upgrade from the early models Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 In what way are you being penalized? So you can’t mouse click on buttons. Aside from that it’s pretty much the same already. What more would they add? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would assume that like most people, the lack of a clickable cockpit is an absolute emersion killer. I'm actual quite surprised at your statement. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktoberfest Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I would assume that like most people, the lack of a clickable cockpit is an absolute emersion killer. I'm actual quite surprised at your statement. Don’t get me wrong, I like the ASM models, but to complain that we are somehow penalized by not having it is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 In what way are you being penalized? So you can’t mouse click on buttons. Aside from that it’s pretty much the same already. What more would they add? not going to get in to it in detail here - if you want, google the filename "TO1F15C3413 .pdf" referred to as the "dash 34" --- the eagle's non-nuclear weapons delivery manual https://imgur.com/Jw6c5gz many (many) awesome features that make the eagle far more lethal than is currently modeled in the sim ED has this doc for many of us, we'll never get the chance to actually fly these jets, DCS is the closest we'll ever get - getting the DCS eagle as close as possible to the real-deal, gets us close as possible to that experience who wouldn't want that?? i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texac Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Specifically Belsimtek now said that they don't plan to update the F-15C with ASM. However it wasn't said that it is completely impossible to simulate the Eagles systems, closer to the real thing than now. The Hornet and Eagle are two different planes but we are already seeing one of these two in the simulation with DCS standards. I would expect all the FC3 aircraft to get the finished or desired state (PFM & SSM). After that I believe plans could start on updating some of the FC3 aircraft and be released as spereate modules including the PFM and ASM. But that is only a guess that could start to evolve in multiple years, if it could. - My Skins/Liveries - Improved F-16C Texture Template • Texac on YouTube • Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gladman Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 not having it is wrong A rather bold statement. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzger Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 In what way are you being penalized? So you can’t mouse click on buttons. Aside from that it’s pretty much the same already. What more would they add? Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkAre you kidding ? Navigation system, Radios, datalink, countermeasures, weapon employment systems.... its totally not even close to full Fidelity now. Anyway, ED have stated that all FC3 will have AFM not ASM and this will not change. Would be great to have a full Fidelity eagle but if it ever happen it will not be in the near future. Sent from my Redmi 4 using Tapatalk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDsc0rch Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 Are you kidding ? Navigation system, Radios, datalink, countermeasures, weapon employment systems.... its totally not even close to full Fidelity now. Anyway, ED have stated that all FC3 will have AFM not ASM and this will not change. Would be great to have a full Fidelity eagle but if it ever happen it will not be in the near future. the low-fidelity avionics makes DCS look very..... "arcadey" i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktoberfest Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 A rather bold statement. Quoted out of context Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinusoidDelta Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Regardless guy, let’s keep the discussion civil such that Belsimtek doesn’t regret making their presence known on hoggit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Wags Posted October 24, 2017 ED Team Share Posted October 24, 2017 The FC3 aircraft aren't supposed to receive an ASM update, only PFM updates and more system updates as we have seen it for the Su-33. I'm sure that this is stated like that since years and nothing changed on that so far. Almost all of the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft are finished/completed and this module is known for it's easier learning curve and overall handling without ASM which is the best experience for beginners that are newcomers to DCS World. Correct Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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