ThorBrasil Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 Whenever I make the landing with the M2000C and back the nose to the ground, the aircraft triggers a warning alarm. What am I doing wrong? Thank you! :helpsmilie: |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5.
Rudel_chw Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 It means that you have trimmed the aircraft ... the Mirage doesnt need trimming, cancel the trim before landing, by pressing on "Autopilot Standby". For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
jojo Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 It means that you have trimmed the aircraft ... the Mirage doesnt need trimming, cancel the trim before landing, by pressing on "Autopilot Standby". Yes the Mirage does need trimming, especially for landing. You can cancel the warning by using "Auto Pilot stand by" button. The difference with real Mirage stick is that you just need to close your hand on the stick to press this AP SBY button which is a paddle on the front of the stick. So the pilot won't have this alarm. Whenever I make the landing with the M2000C and back the nose to the ground, the aircraft triggers a warning alarm. What am I doing wrong? Thank you! You're not doing anything wrong, just cancel the warning. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
myHelljumper Posted January 16, 2018 Posted January 16, 2018 Mirage does need trim. It's the decol light that is on, you need to reset to takeoff trim, and to do that you can double tap the AP standby button Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
ThorBrasil Posted January 17, 2018 Author Posted January 17, 2018 It means that you have trimmed the aircraft ... the Mirage doesnt need trimming, cancel the trim before landing, by pressing on "Autopilot Standby". Reset FBW. Mirage does need trim. It's the decol light that is on, you need to reset to takeoff trim, and to do that you can double tap the AP standby button Yes the Mirage does need trimming, especially for landing. You can cancel the warning by using "Auto Pilot stand by" button. The difference with real Mirage stick is that you just need to close your hand on the stick to press this AP SBY button which is a paddle on the front of the stick. So the pilot won't have this alarm. You're not doing anything wrong, just cancel the warning. Thank You!:thumbup: |Motherboard|: Asus TUF Gaming X570-PLUS, |WaterCooler|: Corsair H115i Pro, |CPU|: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X, |RAM|: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, |SSD|: Kingston A2000 500GB M.2 NVMe, |SSD|: Kingston 2.5´ 480GB UV400 SATA III, |SSHD|: Seagate Híbrido 2TB 7200RPM SATA III, |GPU|: MSI Gaming 980Ti, |Monitor|: LG UltraWide 34UM68, |Joystick 1|: Thrustmaster Hotas Warthog, |Joystick 2|: T.Flight Rudder Pedals, |Head Motion|: TrackIr 5.
yoshama Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 Like this? Best Complement: "You fly like a Psychotic 5 year old" :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rudel_chw Posted January 30, 2018 Posted January 30, 2018 Like this? Lets hope that when its your turn to need the community's help, someone will try to turn it into a joke ... pff :( For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Frederf Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 It is the "DECOL" light which comes on which triggers the alarm. This warning has a purpose to warn that the airplane is not ready for takeoff and being out of the takeoff trim condition while on the ground is such a trigger. One would hope that the real airplane would have some kind of logic to delay checking for this condition some time after touchdown like: wheel speed < 20 knots + 60 seconds delay or similar. Having it alarm for next takeoff condition the very instant of touchdown is oddly disruptive. It is not trivial that a tap of AP-suspend resets the trim to takeoff condition. Surely a press and release of AP-suspend in flight wouldn't reset the trim; that would be awful! So it is a programmed shortcut only when the ground condition is detected and very handy at that. But why does holding the AP-suspend on touchdown avoid the alarm? Surely the trim is still in the non-takeoff condition as the airplane touches down and the mismatch would trigger the alarm. Unless the check is also suspended when the AP-suspend is held. Does the alarm come on when AP-suspend is released? The question becomes does the actual trim reset at the moment of touchdown while holding AP-suspend? Probably not as this would be a sudden change of trim at the instant of landing which could be very physically upsetting (unsafe)! The only system that would make any real sense to me would be to withhold the DECOL check while AP-suspend is held and reset trim for ground condition when AP-suspend is released. This way the alarm wouldn't sound at the instant of touchdown and the trim would not reset until later when the pilot released the paddle. 1
some1 Posted January 31, 2018 Posted January 31, 2018 I agree, if the real airplane worked that way it would be really weird and illogical. Many commercial aircraft have built-in checks before take-off that trigger the alarm when conditions are not met, but none of them makes such check just when the aircraft lands. Usually the warning is not active unless the throttle has been advanced to take-off position. . Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
yoshama Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 Lets hope that when its your turn to need the community's help, someone will try to turn it into a joke ... pff :( ugh... I saw that the question was answered 5 posts before me and wanted a "LOL". I wouldn't have if the question wasn't answered yet. Just a little humor, not trying to poke at anybody. :doh: Best Complement: "You fly like a Psychotic 5 year old" :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Azrayen Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 I agree, if the real airplane worked that way it would be really weird and illogical. Well, it *does* work that way actually. Sorry about reality being sometimes weird and illogical ;)
some1 Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 Well, it *does* work that way actually. Sorry about reality being sometimes weird and illogical ;) You mean it always sounds an alarm if the weight is on wheels during landing and the system is not in neutral trim? Source? Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
Azrayen Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 You mean it always sounds an alarm if the weight is on wheels during landing and the system is not in neutral trim? I do. Unless of course, alarm sound system is set to Off (which it should, on the ground once runway vacated and up to the next holding point). Source? Yes. Sources in fact. Multiple, concordant & solid.
some1 Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 I would love to know at least one of them.... Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
Azrayen Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 I get that but, to the best of my knowledge, none have URLs.
gary palmer Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Autopilot standby is done by keyboard LALT-A...however I cannot find a button in cockpit or along the Autopilot row of buttons top left of cockpit...called Autopilot Standby...any idea anybody where it is located. Pic would help. None of the Autopilot button seemed to be called this...thx Gary
=Pedro= Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 It is the "DECOL" light which comes on which triggers the alarm. This warning has a purpose to warn that the airplane is not ready for takeoff and being out of the takeoff trim condition while on the ground is such a trigger. One would hope that the real airplane would have some kind of logic to delay checking for this condition some time after touchdown like: wheel speed < 20 knots + 60 seconds delay or similar. Having it alarm for next takeoff condition the very instant of touchdown is oddly disruptive. It is not trivial that a tap of AP-suspend resets the trim to takeoff condition. Surely a press and release of AP-suspend in flight wouldn't reset the trim; that would be awful! So it is a programmed shortcut only when the ground condition is detected and very handy at that. But why does holding the AP-suspend on touchdown avoid the alarm? Surely the trim is still in the non-takeoff condition as the airplane touches down and the mismatch would trigger the alarm. Unless the check is also suspended when the AP-suspend is held. Does the alarm come on when AP-suspend is released? The question becomes does the actual trim reset at the moment of touchdown while holding AP-suspend? Probably not as this would be a sudden change of trim at the instant of landing which could be very physically upsetting (unsafe)! The only system that would make any real sense to me would be to withhold the DECOL check while AP-suspend is held and reset trim for ground condition when AP-suspend is released. This way the alarm wouldn't sound at the instant of touchdown and the trim would not reset until later when the pilot released the paddle. Excellent explanation :thumbup: Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X | i7 9700K@5.0GHz | Asus TUF OC RTX 4090 | 32GB DDR4@3200MHz | HP Reverb G2 | TrackIR 5 | TM Warthog HOTAS | MFG Croswinds
Azrayen Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Autopilot standby is done by keyboard LALT-A...however I cannot find a button in cockpit or along the Autopilot row of buttons top left of cockpit...called Autopilot Standby...any idea anybody where it is located. Pic would help. None of the Autopilot button seemed to be called this...thx Gary Just reading the beginning of the topic: The difference with real Mirage stick is that you just need to close your hand on the stick to press this AP SBY button which is a paddle on the front of the stick. Or refer to Flight Manual included in DCS: In current flight manual, see page 24 In future updated flight manual, see page 30 ++ Az'
gary palmer Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 in a real world M2000 this button is behind the stick away from the pilots perspective...the side facing the front of the plane. It does not appear to be in the game as how would you select it... behind and out of sight. I suppose that is why DCS mapped it to LALT-A. gary
Azrayen Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 You looking for something clickable? It isn't. Wouldn(t be practical due to location "in front" of the stick.
gary palmer Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 Effective Solution After much trial and error this is what works consistently: LALT-A to put autopilot into standby mode before landing/touchdown which will set trim to neutral position. *There is no clickable button on joystick to reset trim to neutral setting* "Autopilot on>Autopilot off" does not work consistently "You can double tap the AP standby to reset the trim" just one execution of LALT-A is enough "trim before landing, by pressing on Autopilot Standby" cannot be pressed as in no such button available on joystick ... use LALT-A Hope this helps others, as it will get rid of that annoying Master Caution Lights (top left of cockpit) and associated buzzer sound...beep, beep, beep......Gary
Frederf Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 There are two kinds of "weight on wheels." There is a sensor for weight on the main landing gear and a sensor for weight on the nose landing gear. No Action -> MLG WOW -> NLG WOW -> Alarm Squeeze -> MLG WOW -> NLG WOW -> Alarm MLG WOW -> Squeeze -> NLG WOW -> No Alarm NLG WOW -> MLG WOW -> Huge Firey Crash
tflash Posted February 7, 2018 Posted February 7, 2018 As long as I land safely I do not care about the warning really! And it lands really smooth! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Azrayen Posted February 9, 2018 Posted February 9, 2018 After much trial and error this is what works consistently: LALT-A to put autopilot into standby mode before landing/touchdown which will set trim to neutral position. Indeed! :) The control is also what jojo said on post #3 (page 1). You added/guessed the part about the wheels, which we didn't explain. (perhaps we were feeling it was not needed as it was obvious for us that using that control before main wheel touch down wasn't going to make the trim go neutral, and using it after front wheel touch down wasn't going to prevent the alarm? sorry in this case)
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