MGonzales Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 I have to admit, one of the main reasons I lurk on this board is for the always entertaining anti-F-22 threads, and this one looks like it's not going to disappoint. Thanks, VVanks. :thumbup: -- Mark
ED Team Groove Posted April 23, 2007 ED Team Posted April 23, 2007 Maybe not everybody is a F-22 fanboy MGonzales. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
TucksonSonny Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 Someone voted Ching Kuo! WTF is a Ching Kuo? :D DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
Pilotasso Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 I have a song named ching Kuo -Vangelis- Me thinks the chinese are trying to enchant us like rats? :D .
ED Team Groove Posted April 23, 2007 ED Team Posted April 23, 2007 Someone voted Ching Kuo! WTF is a Ching Kuo? :D Ching-Kuo (IDF) Indigenous Defence Fighter, Taiwan http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/ching/ Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
MGonzales Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 Maybe not everybody is a F-22 fanboy MGonzales. Well of course not, there's fanboys and there's haters, which makes these OT anti-F22 threads entertaining. -- Mark
ED Team Groove Posted April 23, 2007 ED Team Posted April 23, 2007 Why should anybody, besides some guys in the "Axis Of Evil" hate the F-22 ? Is the Dear Leader a member of this forum ? Hello Kim ! Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
rogue_blade Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 i voted eurofighter (typhoon). incredible BFM capabilities. suprised the f22 isnt on the list many people need to realize the f35 is pretty much the new harrier; i dont just mean in V/STOL but its overall role above the battlefield. its not some new air superiority fighter. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
mikoriad Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 Gotta, be the F-15 IMHO, very close to the F-18E... all the others are just way too unproven or not worth it. Althlon X2 6400+ 3.2 ghz EVGA 8800GT SC - 512mb X-45 MOMO pedals
Aeroscout Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 ...I think he did the same thing that "Viper" did in TopGun :megalol: I think so. I dont think we are arguing about which plane (F-22 or F/A-18) is better, rather, we are discussing the abilities (and inteligance :music_whistling:) of the pilot and the irony that it was infact an F-22 that got shot down. DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Guest ufoidentifier Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 F22 with vertical take off looks nice.
Aeroscout Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 lol, thats a strange looking aircraft. what makes it great? :D DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Guest ufoidentifier Posted April 23, 2007 Posted April 23, 2007 I refuse to vote till this one is added: Good point, + mayb couple of circular aircrafts too:)
Poopskadoop Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 MiG-23. Because it has a secret switch that converts the radar into a multi-functional tracking device that can detect any airborne target regardless of its rcs with the maximum range being limited only by the horizon. No one really understands how the system works, but there is probably some plasma involved.
p_o_d_2_2 Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 F-15C, plane's record speaks for itself. IMO, its better than any 5th gen plane until those 5th gen fighters fire a shot in anger and prove they are better.
Aeroscout Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 F-15C, plane's record speaks for itself. IMO, its better than any 5th gen plane until those 5th gen fighters fire a shot in anger and prove they are better. Good point. The F-15 has an excelent record. DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Raptor22 Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 Personally I think that there's no such thing as the "best fighter jet" in the world... it all depends on the situation, weapons used, altitude, etc etc... And that snapshot of the Super Hornet on the Raptor is not really impressive nor surprising... I mean... just because the Raptor is "supposedly" the best fighter in the world doesn't mean that it is invincible! Once an experienced pilot is on your six, chances of your escape is very low, regardless what plane you're in. In fact, I think most planes could probably outmaneuver the Raptor at low altitude low speed dogfights, especially Russian birds, since the Raptor is not really designed for that type of combat, similar to the F-15, and yet it doesn't slack at all. Gigabyte GA-M55SLI S-4 AMD64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz 2GB DDR2 PC6400 800MHz eVGA GeForce7950GT 512MB Samsung SyncMaster 906BW 19" Widescreen Western Digital Cavier 160GB 7200RPM SATA SoundBlaster Audigy X-Fi Creative MegaWorks 5.1 THX 550 TrackIR 4 Pro MS SideWinder Force Feedback 2 :joystick:
GGTharos Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 In fact, I think most planes could probably outmaneuver the Raptor at low altitude low speed dogfights, especially Russian birds, since the Raptor is not really designed for that type of combat, Then ... what's the big wing all about and the thrust vectoring, and the 60deg SUSTAINED AoA? Sounds like an aircraft with stellar slow-speed performance to me. Not to mention slow-speed nose-pointing ability has already been shown off for the Raptor in at least one air-show. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Anytime Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 Not to mention 70 000lb of thrust to go along with the TV and a thrust to weight ratio of better than 1:1 once he's wiped out all your wignmen :) Then ... what's the big wing all about and the thrust vectoring, and the 60deg SUSTAINED AoA? Sounds like an aircraft with stellar slow-speed performance to me. Not to mention slow-speed nose-pointing ability has already been shown off for the Raptor in at least one air-show.
Raptor22 Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 Then ... what's the big wing all about and the thrust vectoring, and the 60deg SUSTAINED AoA? Sounds like an aircraft with stellar slow-speed performance to me. Not to mention slow-speed nose-pointing ability has already been shown off for the Raptor in at least one air-show. I meant to say that most of the NEW Russian birds could possibly defeat the Raptor at low alt. low speed dogfights. Of course... I'm not saying that the Raptor is lacking in slow speed maneuvering, I'm just saying that the Russian birds are better designed to engage in low speed low altitude dogfights, since it's what they are mainly designed for. The F-15 wasn't built specifically for dogfights, more of BVR engagement, and yet it still performed outstandingly in dogfights. Raptors were designed with top of the line BVR abilities... fire and forget, before enemies even realize they are under attack, that's what's so superior about it, no blip on radar, and BAM you're gone and don't know what the heck hit ya :P Gigabyte GA-M55SLI S-4 AMD64 X2 4600+ 2.4GHz 2GB DDR2 PC6400 800MHz eVGA GeForce7950GT 512MB Samsung SyncMaster 906BW 19" Widescreen Western Digital Cavier 160GB 7200RPM SATA SoundBlaster Audigy X-Fi Creative MegaWorks 5.1 THX 550 TrackIR 4 Pro MS SideWinder Force Feedback 2 :joystick:
GGTharos Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 I think you missed my point. Right now the Raptor has some of the BEST dogfighting qualities out there; in fact, I don't think there's anything else in /service/ right now that can match it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
pschelchshorn Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 I think you missed my point. Right now the Raptor has some of the BEST dogfighting qualities out there; in fact, I don't think there's anything else in /service/ right now that can match it. who needs an aircraft as maneuverable as those russian thingies when you can shoot em down without them even knowing youre there , nevertheless even IF they come close to eachother, wasnt there big frustration amongst the f-15c aggressor pilots at nellis because they could see the f-22 but they couldnt put the gunpippers on em because the radar wouldnt lock them up and give them a corrected shoot solution. Flip "Imagine the reason that people hold on to hatred so stubbornly is because if the hate is removed, the pain will set in. Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
Aeroscout Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 who needs an aircraft as maneuverable as those russian thingies when you can shoot em down without them even knowing youre there , nevertheless even IF they come close to eachother, wasnt there big frustration amongst the f-15c aggressor pilots at nellis because they could see the f-22 but they couldnt put the gunpippers on em because the radar wouldnt lock them up and give them a corrected shoot solution. Flip That could be. DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
TucksonSonny Posted April 24, 2007 Posted April 24, 2007 I think you missed my point. Right now the Raptor has some of the BEST dogfighting qualities out there; in fact, I don't think there's anything else in /service/ right now that can match it. Here you go: March 2007 - Instrumented Production Aircraft Four (IPA4), fitted with the Meteor Beyond Visual Range air-to-air missile, preparing for flight at Morуn Air Base, Spain. This flight also saw the test fleet achieve the 5,000th flight hour.:D DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
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