Lockon Operation Red Flag/Combined Air Exercise

[Fudd]

are you guys doing it like the REAL red flag where a missle lock counts as a kill.

 

No....

[RvEYoda]

We'll do it like the real red flag just as soon as I get my F15 and clearance from teh gubmint to fly it.

 

Suggestion: Dont allow jammers. This will make for some very interesting fighting. All Su-fliers should be very happy :).

 

Another situation that would be interesting is if we would somehow limit the number of chaff each plane is carrying, perhaps to half of what it is right now. Chaffspamming at the moment is making missiles almost useless.

[Fudd]

Thanks for the suggestion Yoda.

 

I dont agree with not using ECM, especially for strike aircraft.

 

As far as spamming of chaff, the base distances are supposed to discourage you from blowing your load.... if ya know what I mean.

[RvEYoda]

Thanks for the suggestion Yoda.

 

I dont agree with not using ECM, especially for strike aircraft.

 

As far as spamming of chaff, the base distances are supposed to discourage you from blowing your load.... if ya know what I mean.

 

I could live with strike craft being allowed to use ECM, but currently ECM completely disables an F-15s lock on ANY target > 12,5 nm. This is very anoying and not very realistic.....Just.....CLICK and lock is gone :)

[Fudd]

I'm trying to keep it simple for the first mission.

 

All countermeasures will be allowed except for use of ECM macro.

[Fudd]

Yoda has a good point. You won't be flying against n0obs in 'this' exercise.:prop:

 

I agree and I am not against changing things during other missions within the exercise.

 

For this first mission we are going to set the bar low with rules and ROE's. I am more concerend with getting us all together and seeing how it works.... we can tweak things as we go.

 

Oh and BTW, The only n00b in this exercise is me! :D

[159th_Fusion]

Good stuff gents, I hope you're getting suitably excited like I am!!

 

Fudd is working very hard behind the scenes on this he certainly has our appreciation for his efforts.

[RvEPaploo]

you can count with PaP

nice done fudd

[claycephus]

The Virtual 9th will unfortunately not be able to make it. The time is just no good for many of us here in North America. Maybe the next RF could be at a later time so that it works better for those of us in NA. I know I'm getting ahead but Sunday 1600-2200z seems to work well here.

[Fudd]

I will try to make it later in the day on Saturday for subsequent missions. The problems with using anything later than 1400 zulu on Sundays, is that you start running into Monday morning for some people.

[NotiA10]

Fudd,

 

Timezones will always be a problem, either too early or too later as we know. However, rather then getting everyone together at the same time, why not hink about a mission/exercise that goes for say 12 hours and gives more people the (realistic) chance to get involved ? Certainly this is mostlikely more complex but it could be a possibility further down the road.

 

just some food for thought,

 

:pilotfly:

NotiA10

 

ps/ looking forward to flying ORF next weekend

[Kuky]

Sven I think he might have meant Sunday 1600-2200 Zulu (GMT time)... which is also completely off for us Aussies... Saturday same time is fine but not Sunday.

[3Sqn_Sven]

Haha, didnt see the little "z" at the end there. Nice save. But yeah, still ignorant of the aussies.

[Laud]

A 12-hours mission will definetly not work. Depending on how many units are into it and how many get destroyed/respawn etc. it will be a horrible lag after a few hours.

 

But there could be a split into two timezone-groups maybe.

[Fudd]

Teams for 5/26 Mission

 

Everyone:

 

Here are the teams for the first mission of Red Flag:

 

BlueFOR:

 

3sqn: flying 4 F-15, 4 Su-25t and 2 A-10

 

=RVE=: flying 4 F-15 and 2 A-10

 

JaBoG32: Flying 2 F-15, 2 Mig-29A and 2 A-10

 

RedFOR:

 

S77th: flying 2 Mig-29S, 1 Su-33, 1 Su-27, and 3 Su-25t

 

504th: flying 2 Mig-29S, 3 Su-27 and 3 Su-25

 

159th: flying 3 Su-33 and 4 Su-25t

 

 

I am accepting applications from non-squadron affiliated pilots for Su-25/Su-25t pilots on RedFOR. Please PM me if you are interested.

[Viper101]

i think the vf31 will back down outta this one and catch the next one.

 

1. Not sure if we will make the time

2. Still got members in training

3. Teams are already set ;)

[3Sqn_Sven]

Looks good man.

 

For RVE and Jabog_32, I'll be the co-ordinator from 3sqn, who should I be speaking to from your squads? It would be good to get together soon and work on some stuff.

[Laud]

That seems to be me! ... I guess... ;)

 

Gonna be fun... 29A vs. 27/33 Maybe I should take my survival-kit with me to manage the walk home from behind enemy lines. ;)

[3Sqn_Sven]

Laud, I'm on your TS right now

[TucksonSonny]

Everyone:

 

Here are the teams for the first mission of Red Flag:

 

BlueFOR:

 

3sqn: flying 4 F-15, 4 Su-25t and 2 A-10

 

=RVE=: flying 4 F-15 and 2 A-10

 

JaBoG32: Flying 2 F-15, 2 Mig-29A and 2 A-10

 

RedFOR:

 

S77th: flying 2 Mig-29S, 1 Su-33, 1 Su-27, and 3 Su-25t

 

504th: flying 2 Mig-29S, 3 Su-27 and 3 Su-25

 

159th: flying 3 Su-33 and 4 Su-25t

 

 

I am accepting applications from non-squadron affiliated pilots for Su-25/Su-25t pilots on RedFOR. Please PM me if you are interested.

 

 

 

I wonder what would be the allowed load-out for the mig-29S.

I ask this because squadrons have different rules for their load-outs (R-77 on outer-pylons etc.)

[Woodstock]

Whoa, call that somewhat heavily unbalanced on the fighter front!

 

10 Eagles + 2 crapy MiG-29A

vs.

4 Flankers, 4 SuperFulcrums and 4 ten-pylon SeaCranes

 

Donґt get me wrong, Iґm not complaining, we appreciate the initiative and support it no matter what.

Iґm flying A-10 anyways, and 10 vs. 10 bombers of any type is just fine.

Iґm just giving my thoughts and feedback right away for future mission design.

The JaBoG32 will fly with what is there against whatever odds, but please keep the following in mind:

Just because we are a German squad does not mean that we fly the German MiG-29A at all.

Our Russian-type pilots fly either the Su-27 or the MiG-29S.

So Iґm shure that no one of us has ever requested to fly the German MiGs in this event.

It would have been great to get some Flankers, itґs just a matter of putting Ukraine into the Blue coalition...

Hope that our 2 guys donґt get too confused when they get strange feet and knots readouts from instruments theyґre used to read meters and kilometers from...:music_whistling:

:pilotfly:

[Kuky]

If there will be AWACS and/or EWR on RED side... that'll make things even more difficult for BLUE due to availability of DATALINK on all Su-27/33 and 29S where as 29A doesn't have it even if there was an AWACS on BLUE side... I am not quite satisfied with this aircraft setup... I think BLUE fighter group should be flying all F-15's... (10 at least)

[Kuky]

actually... the whole situation will heavily depend on mission goal and map setup. MiG-29's will have bit limited range and if carrying 3 fuel tanks that will limit them to 4 A2A missiles. I hope non-standard pulons will not be allowed (like having R-77 on outer pylon on the MiG)... I guess we'll see how the whole thing will play out...

[RvEYoda]

This setup COULD work assuming we skip AWACS and EWR (due to EDs failure to implement datalink on US side).

 

 

Blue is rather hampered, in RvE I'm the only one of the signups (afaik) that actually fly the f-15, so the same as with JaboG - We will be a little bit everywhere with the feet/kt reatings :).

 

So shortly, what I recommend:

 

1. No AWACS

2. No EWR

3. Limit SOME of the Red Force planes to lesser weapons (for example 2 mig29s only with 29A-loadout).

4. Also perhaps cutting away ETs from some of the Su-planes. I'm not entirely sure about this, but it is very certain an ET coalition will have an advantage in terms of bvr movement compared to a "Pitbull Coalition".

 

Normally 3-4 would not be nec, but since half of blue Coalition fly planes they normally dont - will be tricky :).

 

I will be there either way though, and I think the rest of RvE will as well.

[Frostie]

Also perhaps cutting away ETs from some of the Su-planes.

ET's? didn't you mean balls?:D

How about limiting 120's to a set number, nah this will get silly.