Bankler's CASE 1 Recovery Trainer

[jasonstory44]

Never mind....figured it out. Voice attack and Viacom were blocking it

[zildac]

Slightly odd request, but can anyone provide a TRK file of a  75/75 (or near as dammit) circuit in both an F18 and F14?

[Magistern]

On 1/17/2021 at 8:11 PM, zildac said:

Slightly odd request, but can anyone provide a TRK file of a  75/75 (or near as dammit) circuit in both an F18 and F14?

 There you go, only F/A-18 though. 

Magister 75 points Banklers Case1.acmi

Edited January 20, 2021 by Magistern

[zildac]

14 hours ago, Magistern said:

 There you go, only F/A-18 though. 

Magister 75 points Banklers Case1.acmi 146.32 kB · 1 download

 

Much appreciated, thankyou! I'm hoping to work out why I always screw up my base leg.....

 

One possibly stupid question, given this is a tacview acmi is there an easy way to convert it to a TRK so I can sit in cockpit (VR) and just use the DCS replay function?

 

Update

 

OK, so it seems I really need a track as opposed to a tacview ACMI file...anyone?

Edited January 21, 2021 by zildac

[Magistern]

14 hours ago, zildac said:

Much appreciated, thankyou! I'm hoping to work out why I always screw up my base leg.....

 

One possibly stupid question, given this is a tacview acmi is there an easy way to convert it to a TRK so I can sit in cockpit (VR) and just use the DCS replay function?

 

Update

 

OK, so it seems I really need a track as opposed to a tacview ACMI file...anyone?

 

I'll try to do another run for 75 points and save the track this time, I didnt now I had to manually save it in the end. I will post the trackfile here if I manage to get it. 

[zildac]

51 minutes ago, Magistern said:

I'll try to do another run for 75 points and save the track this time, I didnt now I had to manually save it in the end. I will post the trackfile here if I manage to get it. 

Thankyou! That would be great. It doesn't need to be bang on 75

[Tusky]

Magistern,

 

how do you cope with the "baloon" effect once you set your flaps from AUTO to FULL?

 

I read somewhere (a guide maybe?) that the real jet doesn't have that behaviour... 

[zildac]

Just keep pulling through the turn and and wait until your airspeed decreses before you level out and apply too much throttle. Extend your flaps and drop your gear as soon as you reach 250KTS in the turn to downwind. My issue is constantly screwing up the base leg turn either under or overshooting

Edited January 21, 2021 by zildac

[CBStu]

Generally you should be at a 30 deg bank, and pulling back some on the stick, so when the flaps drop they tighten the turn more than they balloon the altitude. Since the flaps won't drop until 250 and we approach the boat at 350, I set the flaps to full somewhere behind the boat. The gear will drop when you hit the button so I have to watch the speed during the initial turn and hit the button at 250. Otherwise (although I don't think it's modeled in DCS) the gear could be damaged if dropped >250. For me the flaps dropping may create a bit of a bobble but it is minor and some times I don't even notice it. On a straight in approach to carrier or airfield I don't drop flaps until 180 so there is little to no balloon.

[Magistern]

On 1/21/2021 at 1:18 PM, zildac said:

Thankyou! That would be great. It doesn't need to be bang on 75

Did a few runs today, no 75 score but I git two 73 runs. One with 18,5 groov time wich is 0,5 over the perfect limit and thus 75  The other run is everything perfect except that I catch the 4W. 

73p 3W 18.5 Long SP Magistern.trk

And here is the 4W with perfcet groove time instead. If you combine those two you´ll get 75

73p 4W SP Magistern.trk

[zildac]

Thankyou very Magistern, much appreciated!

[Brun]

On 1/21/2021 at 2:37 PM, CBStu said:

Generally you should be at a 30 deg bank, and pulling back some on the stick, so when the flaps drop they tighten the turn more than they balloon the altitude.

 

A 30 degree bank in the break?

[CBStu]

On 1/26/2021 at 5:13 PM, Brun said:

 

A 30 degree bank in the break?

Yep. See this at about 10min mark. Matt does a real nice steady break. Mine has more altitude variation and I use bank angle to adjust. Less angle gains some height and more angle loses height. Remember for 90% of this 180 deg turn the throttle is at idle and speed is dropping so I can't adjust altitude w/ throttle. Once on downwind and also through the final turn throttle is used to adjust altitude.

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by CBStu
my mistake

[Brun]

2 hours ago, CBStu said:

See this at about 10min mark.

 

Was there supposed to be a link?

[CBStu]

Sorry, yes their should have been. I added a link.

[Brun]

That's the video I figured you were referring to.

 

It's most definitely a 60 degree bank. Even that is less than usual because Wags acknowledges that his style is more relaxed, only reaching a maximum of 2.3g.

 

 

 

Following 'g equal to 1% of airspeed' results in ~70 deg in order to maintain 800' AGL. That can be seen in Jabbers' video at about 10:30...

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by Brun

[Dustoff74]

On 2/4/2021 at 4:26 PM, Brun said:

 

Following 'g equal to 1% of airspeed' results in ~70 deg in order to maintain 800' AGL. That can be seen in Jabbers' video at about 10:30...

 

 

 

Someone told me,they changed something with the drag.

Using the 1% rule you end up on a much too tight downwind, like 0.8NM. With a moderate 2.5g pull I pretty much nail 1.2NM offset.

[PatrickJames]

Firstly thank you for this fantastic video. Is there something I am doing wrong (besides everything) - but I can get 4/4 scores into the break but by downwind the approach says it is aborted. And says to try again yet I can't make it through downwind before everytime the approach is aborted.

[Mr Wave Off]

Is there any reason why the aircraft suddenly starts banking slightly to the right on it´s own when in the downwind leg?

[johnnychemo]

Is there a Case II/III version of this? 

[Mr Wave Off]

Nobody here that can help me out with the problem why the aircraft banks right without input during the downwind leg? This problem also appears in some other training missions, when flying my own missions or instant flights it doesn´t occur. I have checked my bindings and as far as i can tell there is no binding interferring. Would be nice if somebody can bring light to this issue. 

btw Thanks Bankler for this trainingmission it´s a treat (excluding my banking issue on the downwind leg) 

[CBStu]

Brun I see your point. I guess I should have said >30 deg. I actually don't pay attention to the bank angle in the break but I know it is a lot. I was mainly trying to make the point that the bank angle has the effect of making the flaps dropping almost a non-event. One other thing I discovered this week is that doing a good Bankler recovery is a perishable skill. I hadn't flown it for 4-5 weeks and, when I tried it again, it took 6 traps to get my score >50 and several more to get a 62 which is my personal record.

[Big10]

Has the F-14A been added to your mission?

[CBStu]

On 2/9/2021 at 3:50 PM, Mr Wave Off said:

Nobody here that can help me out with the problem why the aircraft banks right without input during the downwind leg? This problem also appears in some other training missions, when flying my own missions or instant flights it doesn´t occur. I have checked my bindings and as far as i can tell there is no binding interferring. Would be nice if somebody can bring light to this issue. 

btw Thanks Bankler for this trainingmission it´s a treat (excluding my banking issue on the downwind leg) 

I have never had that problem. In either of the 180 turns the plane will increase bank angle on it's own but that is a left turn so not related to your problem.

[Toastman]

Please can we have the F14A option for this excellent training mission Mr Bankler ?

I would also love to have the spawn point for the inflight aircraft 10 miles + from the carrier ... to give us more time for plane setup and comms

thanks