F-14A and F-14B Weapons loadout ?

[Satarosa]

F-14A ?

Air-to-Air Weapons:

• AIM-7 Sparrow
  
• AIM-9 Sidewinder
  
• AIM-54 Phoenix
  

Miscellaneaous:

• M61-A1 Vulcan Cannon
  

 

 

 

F-14B ?

 

 

Air-to-Air Weapons:

• AIM-7 Sparrow
  
• AIM-9 Sidewinder
  
• AIM-54 Phoenix
  

Air-to-Ground Weapons:

• Mk.82 (BLU-111A/B) GPB
  
• Mk.83 (BLU-110A/B) GPB
  
• Mk.84 GPB
  
• GBU-10
  
• GBU-12
  
• GBU-16
  
• GBU-24
  
• GBU-31 JDAM
  
• CBU-20
  
• CBU-78
  
• CBU-99
  
• CBU-100
  

 

• Mk.76 Practice Bomb
  
• Mk.106 Practice Bomb
  
• BDU-33 Practice Bomb
  
• BDU-45 Practice Bomb
  
• BDU-48 Practice Bomb
  
• BDU-57 LGTR
  

Miscellaneaous:

 

• M61-A1 Vulcan Cannon
  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

???

[backspace340]

Pretty sure they've already confirmed we're not getting the JDAM as it doesn't fit the timeline of the B they've modelled. You've also missed out the ADM-141 TALD which I think they've said we'll get once ED model it for the Hornet.

[TomCatMucDe]

Pretty sure they've already confirmed we're not getting the JDAM as it doesn't fit the timeline of the B they've modelled. You've also missed out the ADM-141 TALD which I think they've said we'll get once ED model it for the Hornet.

 

yep.

[QuiGon]

You forgot the Zuni rockets. And why no A-G weapons for the A? :huh:

[Squid_DK]

Also TARPS under miscellaneous Not a weapon but it is confirmed by HB

 

The A did not in US service carry any air to surface weapons in the time frame portrayed

Edited October 16, 2018 by Danish_Squid
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[near_blind]

You forgot the Zuni rockets. And why no A-G weapons for the A? :huh:

 

The F-14A being simulated is from a mid-late 80s time frame. During that period the USN had not spent the money to verify carry or release of air to ground weapons on the jet.

 

 

Doctrinally, the Navy was only interested in using the aircraft in a purely air to air role, and to an extant the F-14 community actively fought any attempt to add any ground attack mission to their responsibilities.

 

 

Due to a number of factors, the F-14 community realized in the early 90s that without embracing a multi-role capability, the aircraft would likely be retired early, and allocated funds to verify the functionality of the original air-to-ground programming written by Grumman in the 70s, and verify a set of loadouts that could be used. This occurred for all Tomcats (As, Bs and Ds), but our A is modelled off a period before this happened.

[Madbrood]

our A is modelled off a period before this happened.

 

Correct, but has HB confirmed that the A simply won't be able to use A/G weapons?

[QuiGon]

The F-14A being simulated is from a mid-late 80s time frame. During that period the USN had not spent the money to verify carry or release of air to ground weapons on the jet.

 

 

Doctrinally, the Navy was only interested in using the aircraft in a purely air to air role, and to an extant the F-14 community actively fought any attempt to add any ground attack mission to their responsibilities.

 

 

Due to a number of factors, the F-14 community realized in the early 90s that without embracing a multi-role capability, the aircraft would likely be retired early, and allocated funds to verify the functionality of the original air-to-ground programming written by Grumman in the 70s, and verify a set of loadouts that could be used. This occurred for all Tomcats (As, Bs and Ds), but our A is modelled off a period before this happened.

I see, thanks :thumbup:

The question remains though:

 

Correct, but has HB confirmed that the A simply won't be able to use A/G weapons?

[Madbrood]

Was browsing through some stuff on my lunch break - I think the issue is that they had to develop methods of carrying the A/G weapons for the B, and the A simply didn't have these available to it.

[Squid_DK]

A was tested with A/G capability, the Navy just needed a interceptor and fleet defense aircraft it had A-6 and A-7 to haul high explosives.

[QuiGon]

The A did carry out strikes just like the B did.

[RaceFuel85]

Preliminary fleet carry for A2G weapons in the A did not start until very late 1989 and early 1990 with VF-51, VF-111 and a few others. Tomcats *were* dropping dumb bombs, in practice, before Desert Storm but did not do so operationally until 1995 over Bosnia.

 

The A that HB is doing and the general time period for the A isn't correct by a few years for A2G work.

 

However it's worth noting that Tomcats won the US Navy bombing competition in 1993 using only CCIP and dumb bombs...that's with Intruders and Hornets in the mix ;)

[shagrat]

Pretty sure they've already confirmed we're not getting the JDAM as it doesn't fit the timeline of the B they've modelled. You've also missed out the ADM-141 TALD which I think they've said we'll get once ED model it for the Hornet.

That would be a pity! I can live with a not upgraded A model, but currently reading books about F-14 in OEF anderen OIF, dropping GBU-31s amongst Others stuff, it sounds like complete payload would be missing a very popular A-G weapon of these conflicts.

 

From the advertisement:

(...)"The complete F-14A and B Tomcat payload, including AIM-7, AIM-9 and AIM-54 air to air missiles, various dumb and guided air to ground munitions as well as the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon."(...)

 

Edit: ...and just for clarification: US F-14A did drop JDAM, as well, amongst other A-G weapons. ;)

I am sure these were upgraded ones.

Edited October 17, 2018 by shagrat

[backspace340]

That would be a pity! I can live with a not upgraded A model, but currently reading books about F-14 in OEF anderen OIF, dropping GBU-31s amongst Others stuff, it sounds like complete payload would be missing a very popular A-G weapon of these conflicts.

 

From the advertisement:

(...)"The complete F-14A and B Tomcat payload, including AIM-7, AIM-9 and AIM-54 air to air missiles, various dumb and guided air to ground munitions as well as the M61 Vulcan 20mm cannon."(...)

 

Edit: ...and just for clarification: US F-14A did drop JDAM, as well, amongst other A-G weapons. ;)

I am sure these were upgraded ones.

 

This was the last I heard on it, from the Hoggit AMA:

[GrizzlyBear83]

F-14As could not drop JDAMs, they lacked digital databus.

 

Source: page 19 in Tony Holmes' book about F-14s in OIF.

[antagonist]

F-14As could not drop JDAMs, they lacked digital databus.

 

I believe they ended up rigging the analogue system to be compatible with MIL-STD 1553 in the early 90s.

[shagrat]

F-14As could not drop JDAMs, they lacked digital databus.

 

Source: page 19 in Tony Holmes' book about F-14s in OIF.

Yep, my bad. VF-11, not VF-211...missed that on the page flip.

 

The A in the package were equipped with LGBs.

 

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[ebabil]

so tomcat didin't have any a-g guided missiles like agm-65 or harm? we always need to fly over the target to hit it?

[Dudikoff]

so tomcat didin't have any a-g guided missiles like agm-65 or harm? we always need to fly over the target to hit it?

 

HARM and Harpoon were tested on the D IIRC, but not integrated in the end.

[schroedi]

Did Iran ever use A/G weapons with their F-14A?

[backspace340]

so tomcat didin't have any a-g guided missiles like agm-65 or harm? we always need to fly over the target to hit it?

 

You don't have to fly over the target to hit with a GBU - you've just gotta lob it. We should be able to get 5-10nm lobs out of it pretty easily with such a high speed launch platform.

[bies]

The F-14A being simulated is from a mid-late 80s time frame.

 

It's great they model "cold war" variants instead of as modern as possible. There is a chance F-14 will have some real life counterpart in the game. Modern MiG's and SU's (after 1990) will never be implemented in the game for sure (except simplified FC variants) so '60, '70 and '80 scenarios are by far the most interesting for me.

[Gunslinger22]

It's great they model "cold war" variants instead of as modern as possible. There is a chance F-14 will have some real life counterpart in the game. Modern MiG's and SU's (after 1990) will never be implemented in the game for sure (except simplified FC variants) so '60, '70 and '80 scenarios are by far the most interesting for me.

Completely agree, this is why I don't even remotely care for wanting the D or the Sparrowhawk HUD. I feel some people only want modern avionics simply because it makes things easier for them. Heck I want the PW TF-30 over the F110-GE-400 because it will be hard and much more rewarding to master!

[Haukka81]

Completely agree, this is why I don't even remotely care for wanting the D or the Sparrowhawk HUD. I feel some people only want modern avionics simply because it makes things easier for them. Heck I want the PW TF-30 over the F110-GE-400 because it will be hard and much more rewarding to master!

I agree too, would be nice to get cold war period things. :)

[Dudikoff]

I prefer the Cold War stuff as well, with my lazy exception being the unassisted bombing (like e.g. on the F-5E) which is a no-go for me.