MemphisBelle Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Sorry if this was already covered in one of the many, many Tomcat release threads, but is the F-14 going to be released in the open-beta version first, or in both versions at the same time? I don't bother with open beta usually since I like the bugs to be openly complained about before making it to release so I know what to expect. However if the F-14 is going to open-beta first there's no point waiting an extra week or two. Cheers As far as I know its Early Access, so open Beta. The only difference to the other EA releases is that the Tomcat will be feature complete...at least for the B - Version. The A- Version is scheduled to be released later on. BlackSharkDen | BSD Discord | DCS Tutorial Collection
Bull0369 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 You sir, hit the nail on the head with point 2, 3 and 4 (one was good, but I think the other 3 were spot on). It is a game, it doesn't do much for us other than entertain. And if you do not feel entertained, move along to something that does entertain you. Simple as that - additionally, pre-orders are silly marketing ideas that have little real need in a software environment (where gauging interest in your product means very little to the logistics of distributing said product) and I never understand why companies do it - other than a need to access money early I assume. OK, before I add you to my ignore list....let's give this a shot. 1) "the way the things are" How are things? I have a PC with VR that allows me to zoom around the world in incredibly iconic planes from multiple eras. I got to see this industry grow from wire frame F15 to incredibly realistic depiction of flight through VR. It's people like me whose money and support that makes this happen. People who like to support the niche market. So I'd rather you just say thank you and move on. 2) When you buy a module, you are *AGREEING* to the EULA. Which means that you are ACCEPTING WHATEVER THEY GIVE YOU. That's literally (correct use of the word) what EULA means. You can decide to *not* abide by the EULA which means you can't fly the Tomcat. So don't agree to the EULA and ask for a refund. Yeah...I didn't think so. 3) As for the German law, the way I read it, not that I care since I don't live in Germany. It bans vague release dates and phrases like "coming soon". HB has said "it will be released by March 20 2019" How is that vague? But it doesn't mean that the business cannot change the date. And it looks to me like stating "available NLT Jan 1, 2099" will get around the stupid law. 4) When I complain about something, there are levels and importance. Something that annoys me makes me whine. Much like what you're doing. And yes, it's a game. *NOTHING* that ED or HB does could EVER make me SOOOOO MAD that I would contemplate a legal action nor cite legal statutes. Because, again, it's JUST A GAME. And I don't immediately take the hyperbolic path of citing German laws that don't apply here, nor going on a ad hominem rants. If I really don't like something, I take my business elsewhere. That's how mature grown-ups take care of things. Anything else?
Horns Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) The only difference to the other EA releases is that the Tomcat will be feature complete...at least for the B - Version. Sorry, the -B will be feature what now? Really? If you say yes and it winds up being feature complete a month or two after, I promise not to rage in this forum or sue :P Edited January 5, 2019 by Horns Corrected smilie Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
MemphisBelle Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Sorry, the -B will be feature what now? Really? If you say yes and it winds up being feature complete a month or two after, I promise not to rage in this forum or sue :P well, thats what makes the difference between the Hornet EA and the Tomcat EA. The Hornet was lacking major and important features to be available on initial release, thats why it was/is still in Alpha. Heatblue/Cobra mentioned that the Tomcat will have all major features available on day 1...feature complete. It is but still in development and thus called a Beta. At least according to the official Alpha/Beta/RC Definition. But each developer might have different views on that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle [...] Completion (or availability) of all core major features of the F-14B aircraft. Major systems include things like FM, weapons, radar, core subsystems, multicrew, JESTER, etc. You will be getting a gigantic, complex and mostly complete product on day one. [...] BlackSharkDen | BSD Discord | DCS Tutorial Collection
Horns Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 well, thats what makes the difference between the Hornet EA and the Tomcat EA. The Hornet was lacking major and important features to be available on initial release, thats why it was/is still in Alpha. Heatblue/Cobra mentioned that the Tomcat will have all major features available on day 1...feature complete. It is but still in development and thus called a Beta. At least according to the official Alpha/Beta/RC Definition. But each developer might have different views on that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle I have no idea how I missed that, that’s my favourite news today, much appreciated! Modules: [A-10C] [AJS 37] [AV8B N/A] [F-5E] [F-14] [F-15E] [F-16] [F/A-18C] [FC3] [Ka-50] [M-2000C] [Mig-21 bis] [Afghanistan] [Cold War: Germany] [Iraq] [Kola] [NTTR] [PG] [SC] Intel i9-14900KF, Nvidia GTX 4080, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X 64GB DDR5 @ 6400 MHz, SteelSeries Apex Pro, Asus ROG Gladius 3, VKB Gunfighter 3 w/ F-14 grip, VKB STECS throttle, Thrustmaster MFD Cougars x2, MFG Crosswind, DSD Flight Series button controller, XK-24, Meta Quest 3
MemphisBelle Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 I have no idea how I missed that, that’s my favourite news today, much appreciated! ur welcome :) BlackSharkDen | BSD Discord | DCS Tutorial Collection
k4riM Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Hello Finally I understand nothing about it the F14 when it comes out? Because I read everywhere that there are problems with pre-orders? I wish the preorder but now it's a bit scary when I read the posts Normally a preorder there is a release date with I wish pre-order but for that you need more information thank you
shagrat Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Hello Finally I understand nothing about it the F14 when it comes out? Because I read everywhere that there are problems with pre-orders? I wish the preorder but now it's a bit scary when I read the posts Normally a preorder there is a release date with I wish pre-order but for that you need more information thank youFirst Post of this very thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3720140 Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
shagrat Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Thank you so ok we must return in about 3 monthsThey will release sometime between now and the 21st March 2019. So, if you want to benefit from the $10 discount for pre-order you need to monitor the forums or Heatblur Facebook etc. for the release notice they promised before the pre-order ends, or simply pre-order now and wait for the release (which will be 21st March, latest) Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
k4riM Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Thank you shagrat sorry I really did not see the information at the beginning at least it's clear Good luck to the developer for the job I will preorder tonight to support
wowbagger Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 As far as I know its Early Access, so open Beta. The only difference to the other EA releases is that the Tomcat will be feature complete...at least for the B - Version. The A- Version is scheduled to be released later on. Thank you. Surely though it will be Early Access for a long while and won't stay only in Open Beta the whole time. Aren't the other modules in Early Access in the release version? No biggie, it's easy enough to switch to Open Beta. no sig
Zoomer Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Christ, buy it or don`t buy it, it`s totally up to the consumer. No one is beating anyone with a stick to jump in early. It`s like dealing with a bunch of children. Heatblur should just disengage from such discussion and give a firm release date when ready. In the meantime those of the impatient variety can keep their money in their pocket and fly whatever modules they already have. I fail to see any reason for a song & dance over the issue.
Flamin_Squirrel Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Christ, buy it or don`t buy it, it`s totally up to the consumer. No one is beating anyone with a stick to jump in early. It`s like dealing with a bunch of children. Heatblur should just disengage from such discussion and give a firm release date when ready. In the meantime those of the impatient variety can keep their money in their pocket and fly whatever modules they already have. I fail to see any reason for a song & dance over the issue. Right. And Pudu is trying to make an informed decision. Your "buy it or don't buy it" response is helps no-one.
Zoomer Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Right. And Pudu is trying to make an informed decision. Your "buy it or don't buy it" response is helps no-one. I fail to see the complexity of the decision to be made. You either are willing to buy now and wait, or you wait now and buy later. It`s not exactly rocket science.
Flamin_Squirrel Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Yes, and if people don't understand what they're getting for their money that decision will simply be to not buy. Dev misses out on a purchase, and customer misses out on a product they might otherwise enjoy. Totally unhelpful.
wowbagger Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Christ, buy it or don`t buy it, it`s totally up to the consumer. No one is beating anyone with a stick to jump in early. It`s like dealing with a bunch of children. Heatblur should just disengage from such discussion and give a firm release date when ready. In the meantime those of the impatient variety can keep their money in their pocket and fly whatever modules they already have. I fail to see any reason for a song & dance over the issue. Dude, chill. Not that it is any of your business but, I pre-ordered in November. I just want to know if I should switch my install from Release to Open Beta so I can use it as soon as it is released. How was that unclear? no sig
Zoomer Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Yes, and if people don't understand what they're getting for their money that decision will simply be to not buy. Dev misses out on a purchase, and customer misses out on a product they might otherwise enjoy. Totally unhelpful. Non issue. As I said it just an aspect of timing of said purchase, pre-release or just on release. Either way such individuals are going to buy the module and Heatblur`s bottom line will not remotely be affected by such dithering when individuals have already made up their mind that they want the F-14. It`s just a lot of heat over nothing.
wowbagger Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 There is way too much pent up aggression on this forum. no sig
Flamin_Squirrel Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Indeed there is. I've no idea why so many people on here are spoiling for a fight.
Zoomer Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Dude, chill. Not that it is any of your business but, I pre-ordered in November. I just want to know if I should switch my install from Release to Open Beta so I can use it as soon as it is released. How was that unclear? You have already made the purchase like myself, which proves my earlier point. Discussion re same after that, is a tad academic, as the horse has not only bolted out of the stable but is halfway to the next parish. Regarding the open beta, I thought most people ran same for the very reason of having access to features early.
wowbagger Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 You have already made the purchase like myself... No idea what you are on about. Don't really care. Just asked a simple question. Carry on. no sig
Zoomer Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 No idea what you are on about. Don't really care. Just asked a simple question. Carry on. I wasn`t particularly referring to you initially in relation to the cries of impatience, as previously seen on the thread. Just call it impatience with the impatient
falk1234 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 Btw. whats up with those weekly updates? Christmas week was silent, thats understandable. Can we tickle Cobra into saying "not imminent" again now? :)
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