MagzTV - DCS World: BOMBCAT

[Eldur]

Just had this in my recommendations list while watching other stuff

 

 

Have fun

[AvroLanc]

I think it’s time for some thing new from these guys. Interesting to watch, but I can’t help but feel it’s time for a cold start video, a cockpit tour, or a in depth tour of the jester menus.

 

Still cool though.

[Strikeeagle345]

I think it’s time for some thing new from these guys. Interesting to watch, but I can’t help but feel it’s time for a cold start video, a cockpit tour, or a in depth tour of the jester menus.

 

Still cool though.

 

agreed, seen this stuff for months now.

[SandMan23]

Yep - agreed except for maybe the months part - lol. Maybe month. And what have we gotten -4 maybe 5 videos in total - in ~ 6 weeks (didn't go back and actually count so relax with it was 6! responses) - a couple of which were very short - showing to your point the same thing over and over. As far startup procs and detailed reviews of the cockpit - it is only half done - RIO pit still not available. No manual or documentation from HB for the CCs to use - unless they want to read NATOPS and write the proc themselves - it just isn't there yet. But I agree - getting bored with same thing over and over. Give the CCs credit - I am sure they are delivering the best as can be expected with the current state of the module, docs, etc. It just isn't there yet as far as the module goes. Actually becoming quite anti-climatic for me. It's like they spent their hype capital too soon and too much of a gap between the hype and the results. While I admittedly will enjoy the module when it finally does come out, I am at the point of - egh - at this point.

[turkeydriver]

straight crap. No F-14B ever carried that bombload. Only the F-14A did in testing and was confirmed a BAD IDEA. Its a fictional loadout because you'll keep bombs with you. I cant believe this loadout is still around. Include as fantasy- like a my little pony paint scheme. A couple F-14As tested this. No bomb racks to support this ever made it to the fleet. No fleet or RAG squadron ever practiced this loadout as a mission set. This is the Ace Combat part of the sim.

Edited February 1, 2019 by turkeydriver

[SandMan23]

LOL - yeah for a minute I was thinking we had a super modded A6 junior - lol

[CaptJodan]

I think it’s time for some thing new from these guys. Interesting to watch, but I can’t help but feel it’s time for a cold start video, a cockpit tour, or a in depth tour of the jester menus.

 

Still cool though.

 

At the end of the video Magz asks for comments on what you want to see next. Y'all should post and ask for a startup video. He did make mention of a cockpit tour as well as an option.

[Naquaii]

straight crap. No F-14B ever carried that bombload. Only the F-14A did in testing and was confirmed a BAD IDEA. Its a fictional loadout because you'll keep bombs with you. I cant believe this loadout is still around. Include as fantasy- like a my little pony paint scheme. A couple F-14As tested this. No bomb racks to support this ever made it to the fleet. No fleet or RAG squadron ever practiced this loadout as a mission set. This is the Ace Combat part of the sim.

 

I'm not disputing that the USN chose not to use this equipment as they didn't want to risk the F-14 as a ground attack aircraft but make no mistake, the equipment existed and the aircraft was capable.

 

Our main reasoning is that DCS is used to model a lot of fictional scenarios, many of which might have forced the USN to change their stance in regards to ground attack with the Tomcat.

 

If we had started to changed the module towards what was actually proven in real life instead of what evidence show it was capable of the experience would for sure be a lesser one.

 

As an example, no USN Tomcat ever hit a target with an AIM-54 in actual combat use...

 

Anyway, the attached image below is from one of our USN F-14 Tomcat manuals.

[Blaze1]

straight crap. No F-14B ever carried that bombload. Only the F-14A did in testing and was confirmed a BAD IDEA. Its a fictional loadout because you'll keep bombs with you. I cant believe this loadout is still around. Include as fantasy- like a my little pony paint scheme. A couple F-14As tested this. No bomb racks to support this ever made it to the fleet. No fleet or RAG squadron ever practiced this loadout as a mission set. This is the Ace Combat part of the sim.

Heatblur have stated that they have manuals/documents showing 14 Mk82 in the pancake as a valid loadout, although never used in practice?

[Blaze1]

Naquaii's already confirmed my previous post.

 

I agree with the philosophy of allowing users the latitude of loading the jet atypically, so long as it was an authorised loadout.

Edited February 1, 2019 by Blaze1

[AvroLanc]

At the end of the video Magz asks for comments on what you want to see next. Y'all should post and ask for a startup video. He did make mention of a cockpit tour as well as an option.

 

He did indeed, and the suggestions were made. We can hope. Maybe all the youtubers hands are tied to some extent.

 

However, it’s a shame as ‘content creator’, (not being specific to anyone) there is a slight lack of imagination and creativity to offer an insightful preview. The most insightful and revealing preview so far has been the written preview that Mudspike did.

[Victory205]

straight crap. No F-14B ever carried that bombload. Only the F-14A did in testing and was confirmed a BAD IDEA. Its a fictional loadout because you'll keep bombs with you. I cant believe this loadout is still around. Include as fantasy- like a my little pony paint scheme. A couple F-14As tested this. No bomb racks to support this ever made it to the fleet. No fleet or RAG squadron ever practiced this loadout as a mission set. This is the Ace Combat part of the sim.

 

Take it easy, they don’t weigh anything- they are made of pixels...

[Blaze1]

I've just checked the tactical manual and 14 Mk82's doesn't appear to be a valid loadout, at least not from 2004 and later.

[Naquaii]

I've just checked the tactical manual and 14 Mk82's doesn't appear to be a valid loadout, at least not from 2004 and later.

 

Correct, the more exotic early payloads were not part of the IRL Bombcat and the LANTIRN.

[Blaze1]

Correct, the more exotic early payloads were not part of the IRL Bombcat and the LANTIRN.

I see.

 

I don't really have a problem with it myself, however there's a strong chance it wasn't authorised later because of separation issues.

 

Both the F-4 and F-15E started off with loadouts that were even used in combat, but later revoked. In the case of the F-15E, it was due to separation issues in one case and weapons damage in the other.

[WinterH]

straight crap. No F-14B ever carried that bombload. Only the F-14A did in testing and was confirmed a BAD IDEA. Its a fictional loadout because you'll keep bombs with you. I cant believe this loadout is still around. Include as fantasy- like a my little pony paint scheme. A couple F-14As tested this. No bomb racks to support this ever made it to the fleet. No fleet or RAG squadron ever practiced this loadout as a mission set. This is the Ace Combat part of the sim.

 

I don't like non-realistic or non-operational loads on modules either.

 

But I'll cut Heatblur some slack here. It isn't something overboard like AIM-120s or HARMs, which were requested by some people.

 

It isn't necessarily too different from triple maverick racks on A-10s and likely upcoming F-16, which even though were cleared, operationally wouldn't be used unless shit hit the fan, because they had potential dangers for aircraft employing them. But we have them in DCS anyway.

 

It's just a bunch of dumb bombs, so I would be inclined to say that they don't overly exaggerate air to ground capability of real aircraft.

 

A portion of the community always wants hardcore "only stuff really used" while the others want "a bit flexibility for gameplay fun". I would say this gives a little something to latter without compromising the former much.

[Strikeeagle345]

Yep - agreed except for maybe the months part - lol. Maybe month. And what have we gotten -4 maybe 5 videos in total - in ~ 6 weeks (didn't go back and actually count so relax with it was 6! responses) - a couple of which were very short - showing to your point the same thing over and over. As far startup procs and detailed reviews of the cockpit - it is only half done - RIO pit still not available. No manual or documentation from HB for the CCs to use - unless they want to read NATOPS and write the proc themselves - it just isn't there yet. But I agree - getting bored with same thing over and over. Give the CCs credit - I am sure they are delivering the best as can be expected with the current state of the module, docs, etc. It just isn't there yet as far as the module goes. Actually becoming quite anti-climatic for me. It's like they spent their hype capital too soon and too much of a gap between the hype and the results. While I admittedly will enjoy the module when it finally does come out, I am at the point of - egh - at this point.

 

first game play with bombing and air to air was on Nov. 24th 2018. It has been months. :thumbup::D

 

[turkeydriver]

To add to my previous post- its more of a reviewer gripe that they are showcasing that loadout and calling it a bombcat. It just doesn't correlate. I know the brus were created and even when the LANTIRN was in testing there was hope to carry a pair of MK-82s either tandem or in tight pairs on the AIM-54 pallet. If you want to advertise a Bombcat preview- throw GBUs on it and get a buddy lase or use just 4 dumb bombs. I know Heatblur is including this because it was flown and if funding permitted- might have been successful one day. I may it try it for fun after the jet releases. I just didn't like seeing it on a VF-102 F-14B. Rant off......apologize for the triggered episode….

[ItsGunter]

straight crap. No F-14B ever carried that bombload. Only the F-14A did in testing and was confirmed a BAD IDEA. Its a fictional loadout because you'll keep bombs with you. I cant believe this loadout is still around. Include as fantasy- like a my little pony paint scheme. A couple F-14As tested this. No bomb racks to support this ever made it to the fleet. No fleet or RAG squadron ever practiced this loadout as a mission set. This is the Ace Combat part of the sim.

 

 

I too hat having more features within an $80 purchase

[Eldur]

straight crap. No F-14B ever carried that bombload. Only the F-14A did in testing and was confirmed a BAD IDEA. Its a fictional loadout because you'll keep bombs with you. I cant believe this loadout is still around. Include as fantasy- like a my little pony paint scheme.

 

Actually, I'd wouldn't mind having the latter instead, should be a rather decent one though, like the example attached. MLP has lots of TG allusions and after release we'll see more than enough fictional liveries of any kind anyway, so why not?

But well, I could always try to make that one myself, just totally lacking the skills and the software as well

 

Probably wasn't too much work to have that tunnel full of 82s and you'll always be able not to take as many

 

14 Mk82 in the pancake

 

I like that wording...

[Victory205]

To add to my previous post- its more of a reviewer gripe that they are showcasing that loadout and calling it a bombcat. It just doesn't correlate. I know the brus were created and even when the LANTIRN was in testing there was hope to carry a pair of MK-82s either tandem or in tight pairs on the AIM-54 pallet. If you want to advertise a Bombcat preview- throw GBUs on it and get a buddy lase or use just 4 dumb bombs. I know Heatblur is including this because it was flown and if funding permitted- might have been successful one day. I may it try it for fun after the jet releases. I just didn't like seeing it on a VF-102 F-14B. Rant off......apologize for the triggered episode….

 

Guess you never heard about the experimental laser canon at VX4. Kept tripping the generators off, but when it worked...MAN!

[turkeydriver]

Friggin Laser beams.….ON THEIR HEADS!!!!

[Cobra847]

Yep - agreed except for maybe the months part - lol. Maybe month. And what have we gotten -4 maybe 5 videos in total - in ~ 6 weeks (didn't go back and actually count so relax with it was 6! responses) - a couple of which were very short - showing to your point the same thing over and over. As far startup procs and detailed reviews of the cockpit - it is only half done - RIO pit still not available. No manual or documentation from HB for the CCs to use - unless they want to read NATOPS and write the proc themselves - it just isn't there yet. But I agree - getting bored with same thing over and over. Give the CCs credit - I am sure they are delivering the best as can be expected with the current state of the module, docs, etc. It just isn't there yet as far as the module goes. Actually becoming quite anti-climatic for me. It's like they spent their hype capital too soon and too much of a gap between the hype and the results. While I admittedly will enjoy the module when it finally does come out, I am at the point of - egh - at this point.

 

If you don't enjoy the content - don't watch it. We can either be silent and get reamed for being silent, or share and get reamed for showing too much.

For every oversaturated hardcore DCS fan - there are thousands of unaware casual flight simulation/ace combat/war thunder/et al. fans that have no clue about our F-14 coming out.

Reaching that demographic is important to recoup 4 years of development costs.

 

FYI: Every single CC we've pulled in has had access to our WiP manuals and direct access to almost every single developer to ask questions.

They've also done multicrew/MP/RIO sessions multiple times and used the AWG-9. We're just asking them to not show it yet because every little error or issue gets nitpicked into oblivion if we do.

Edited February 2, 2019 by Cobra847

[Victory205]

Well said.

[turkeydriver]

If you don't enjoy the content - don't watch it. We can either be silent and get reamed for being silent, or share and get reamed for showing too much.

For every oversaturated hardcore DCS fan - there are thousands of ignorant casual flight simulation/ace combat/war thunder/et al. fans that have no clue about our F-14 coming out.

Reaching that demographic is important to recoup 4 years of development costs.

 

FYI: Every single CC we've pulled in has had access to our WiP manuals and direct access to almost every single developer to ask questions.

They've also done multicrew/MP/RIO sessions multiple times and used the AWG-9. We're just asking them to not show it yet because every little error or issue gets nitpicked into oblivion if we do.

And I've added to the nitpicking...sorry for that Heatblur. The product is leaps and bounds above what we expected, we've just not allowed for any human or technical error whatsoever. we will all be there launch day enjoying it.....once we figure out how to turn it on.