HP's Reverb VR Pro Headset

[Hammer1-1]

The die is supposedly about 10-20% larger than turin, but Im not really certain how much bigger it is. I do know its the 7nm die process used by HP.

[Gun Jam]

Okay first of all I was simply impressed by the theoretical quality and wondered what had changed I figured others might be unaware too OR I was the last to find out and could get an answer as to why things are so different now. Is it software or my new headset? (will try to find out more later)

 

 

 

with f14 at 500% res playing instant action Nevada DACT vs Viper I get an avg of 38fps I dont feel sick afterwards and it takes me just about as long to shoot him down as it does at 90fps. yes I can tell the FPS could be better but it is playable I dont get stutters that are distracting I can seem him more clearly and it appears that the hud glass is less likley to get that green reflection / tint at certain sun angles the clarity of text and the world do offest this reduction in FPS so its just as playable as it is at 100% res at 90fps. With that in mind I would not consider pushing it this hard as this is quite a simple mission and im sure fps would fall on its face with anything more complex

 

 

 

I have great eyesight and dont use corrective stuff

 

 

I have an intel 8086k pushing 5.1ghz with a 2080ti

 

 

Again in the past yes about 6 months ago at the time the reverb was re-released with the cable clip I played a lot with many setting particularly what was then called "super sampling" My DCS PD has always been set to 1.0

 

 

1) I found that pushing DCS PD up past 1 made only very tiny improvements so I just set it to 1.0

 

 

2) pushing ss past 188% or near native res made little to no noticeable improvement

 

 

3) I had updated win patches and was running steamvr beta. Nothing made significant improvements past a PD of 1 and a SS setting of 180ish. Without first hand experience observing someone else's setup I drew the conclusion that it was working well (which it always has) and that i see no gains because its hardware limited. Think of it like a full glass you add 10 more gallons of water to it and pick the glass up and observe it...still looks about the same.

 

 

4) several hundred pages back I made the decision to abandon steam beta at the time. I felt that things ran better in stable release and others agreed.

 

 

 

The main reason for revisiting this was the the absolutely stunning quality that can be displayed (what this headset is actually capable of and others unware should at least get to observe this) AND the huge discrepancy of individuals and their reported findings which is apparently still occurring since this thing was released.

 

 

 

The range of discrepancy is from "Its absolutely rubbish I sent it back you are all idiots for using this crap and should be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this product" which was got replies like "bother to set it up right" AND "its because you are blind and have an 80mm IPD" TO "its as good as my 30" 2k monitor or "its as good as a monitor the best quality you will be able to find for a long time at this price point.

 

 

Now despite doing everything suggested (say 4 to 6 months ago) I never got to the "its as good as a monitor" no it left quite a bit desired compared to a monitor BUT it was so much better than my SO+ that I could see how at initial shock and awe of putting it on that you would go "dang this is like a monitor" but after a few weeks and more careful observation you would see that it was really only about 50% to 65% of what a monitor could do but still WAAAY better than anything else so why were some people so bent out of shape? Well lazy, blind and/or incorrect IPD right??? hummmm..... NOW as of yesterday this has changed I now find myself in the "Its as good as a monitor camp" well no its not but its about 85 to 90% of what my Acer predator 32" 1440 monitor will do. That's pretty amazing

 

 

I spent sometime getting those bitmap images I posted to fairly accurately simulate the difference in quality if at 500% res. If it doesn't look as good as the 500% image that would be an interesting observation. It should look like that with your head in normal upright position no leaning in, no zoom and you should be able to break out the number as easy as it is in the image. The one thing not simulated is the slightly bluish tone of the image vs my monitor likley due to the LCD displays in the reverb. The color is a bit more vibrant in the bitmap vs real life in the reverb but clarity and sharpness are well simulated. also hold your head still or motion will cause blur.

 

 

yes I see an improvement in 300vs 500 to the point that I can be sure that its not a placebo

 

 

I still have my old headset Im going to try to get it to run long enough to see if I can get equal results out of it.

 

 

 

-Gun

[imacken]

All I’ll say is that SteamVR SS has not changed at all during the period you mention. The only difference is the numbering base. Previously, around 188% gave native. Now it’s the more logical 100%.

[Hammer1-1]

The thing is, even doubling your current performance to reach the giddy heights of 30 fps will still be unplayable in most people's eyes, and the 3080 Ti isn't going to do that.

 

Really not sure what you mean by the 2080Ti 'fizzling out'. It was a very nice upgrade on my previous 1080Ti.

 

By fizzling out I mean all the hardware issues they had with the first gen, 20 million total units sold in the 2 years since it launched (including the RTX16** cards and every other card in between), the lack of games available for RTX capability, and the cost per unit vs performance gains over the previous generation. It fizzled out. Still might be a good card, just not a great buy going from the GTX1080 family. Hell even the RTX2070 super wasnt worth upgrading to.

[imacken]

By fizzling out I mean all the hardware issues they had with the first gen, 20 million total units sold in the 2 years since it launched (including the RTX16** cards and every other card in between), the lack of games available for RTX capability, and the cost per unit vs performance gains over the previous generation. It fizzled out. Still might be a good card, just not a great buy going from the GTX1080 family. Hell even the RTX2070 super wasnt worth upgrading to.

 

All a matter of opinion, of course. As I said above, I found the upgrade from my 1080Ti to be well worth the extra £500 I had to spend. And, I think the issues with the first few FE cards were exaggerated - as usual on the internet. I was an early adopter, and had no issues although a few did.

[eaglecash867]

All a matter of opinion, of course. As I said above, I found the upgrade from my 1080Ti to be well worth the extra £500 I had to spend. And, I think the issues with the first few FE cards were exaggerated - as usual on the internet. I was an early adopter, and had no issues although a few did.

 

Early adopter here too, and not a single issue with my RTX2080ti that wasn't caused by me not having things plugged in correctly. :doh:

[Hammer1-1]

Then you guys probably dont have the founders edition cards. Stories about them all over the internet about those cards failing within the first week or so after install, but that was the first batch released to the public. Heres one I just googled off top of my screen.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-failures,38085.html

 

Moot point anyways since to me the upgrade to spend another $1400 on a video card that only gives me a 30% boost in performance at best wasnt really worth it.

[Gun Jam]

All I’ll say is that SteamVR SS has not changed at all during the period you mention. The only difference is the numbering base. Previously, around 188% gave native. Now it’s the more logical 100%.

 

 

The thing they are calling "render resolution" is still Super Sampling just a simpler name for it? and render res still functions as before with DCS PD the same way?

 

 

Thanks

[Hammer1-1]

Its actually a form of DSR.

[imacken]

Then you guys probably dont have the founders edition cards. Stories about them all over the internet about those cards failing within the first week or so after install, but that was the first batch released to the public. Heres one I just googled off top of my screen.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-failures,38085.html

 

Moot point anyways since to me the upgrade to spend another $1400 on a video card that only gives me a 30% boost in performance at best wasnt really worth it.

 

For the first few weeks there were the usual internet scare stories. Nothing since.

 

It’s only $1400 if you continue to horde your old video cards. I sold my 1080Ti at the same time. The upgrade was £500 on top. Well worth it.

[imacken]

The thing they are calling "render resolution" is still Super Sampling just a simpler name for it? and render res still functions as before with DCS PD the same way?

 

 

Thanks

 

I would say that supersampling is the technique to produce the render resolution.

 

Don’t know if SS and PD are EXACTLY the same, but ultimately they produce the same effect. But, as I always say, remember that PD of 1.5 is not 150% SS, it’s 225%. Just an example.

[Gunnars Driver]

I would say that supersampling is the technique to produce the render resolution.

 

Don’t know if SS and PD are EXACTLY the same, but ultimately they produce the same effect. But, as I always say, remember that PD of 1.5 is not 150% SS, it’s 225%. Just an example.

 

Yes, basically different ways of naming(and different way to calculate numbers) the same thing:

Rendering a higher resolution than the display native to gain in percieved visual quality.

 

I started doing this with my HTPC(Home Theater PC) for my projector cirka 2000.

 

The first popular ting when digital transmission from the PC came( DVI/HDMI) was to pixelmap the picture. = virtually the same as SS 100% or PD 1.0. (...for this discussion at least)

 

After a while the communities found that most DVD Movies was produced with poor quality, low bitrate etc. This gave an Picture not that sharp.

 

Rendering the picture in a higher resulotion than the native on the screen caused the picture to get "washed" from unsharpness when the screen hade do downscale the Picture to native resulotion. = samt thing that happens when SS or PD over 100% or 1.0 with VR.

 

Some report that using PD in DCS use more computer power than using SS in SteamVR settings. In the most cases I would guess the videocard would be supposed to do the hard work anyway, but as we all know the graphics motor of DCS isnt the most modern so its very plausible. For the quality I dont think there should be a difference.

 

(in Movies upscaling a already present resulotion it can be a big difference between different hardware, but in this case there is no picture and it is rendered from zero in any case. The difference we can expect should be only performance wise if we see a difference).

[Hammer1-1]

For the first few weeks there were the usual internet scare stories. Nothing since.

 

It’s only $1400 if you continue to horde your old video cards. I sold my 1080Ti at the same time. The upgrade was £500 on top. Well worth it.

 

I always sell mine for half price when I buy new video cards. Unfortunately, the 1080Ti when I get rid of it isnt going to be worth much when the next gen finally comes out.

[sze5003]

I always sell mine for half price when I buy new video cards. Unfortunately, the 1080Ti when I get rid of it isnt going to be worth much when the next gen finally comes out.

Yea I'll be stuck with mine too. I'll just have to sell it for lower or give it to my brother but he's using an RX 580 already.

[Eaglewings]

SLI is not viable with dcs I have read. Would it have been possible to put two different generation and specs of gpus and get something good out of them?

[Hammer1-1]

I assume you can get the better video card to render while you use the other as a physics processor alone. Never tried it, Im sure someone else can chime in and give an idea but I dont think its all that feasible.

[Gun Jam]

I was able to get my old reverb to run long enough to test and at 500% render res with dcs PD at 1.0 I get the same results so there is little to no difference between headsets.

 

 

With DCS PD at 2.5 and steam Render Res at about 150 to 175 appears to be the maximum resolution going beyond that shows no real improvement but at the same time FPS is now so low that its very hard tell if things look better or not. so I my case that is the maximum theoretical resolution which provides about 25 FPS in f14 instant action mission DACT vs f16. Spotting the f16 is much more difficult at this resolution and is easiest near a PD of 1.0 and a render res of about 30% he's a big dot at that point if you are below him just a bit as in the start of that mission.

 

 

 

With PD at 2.5 and RR at about 150+ to perhaps 170 provides an image that is likley as good or better than my monitor now a direct comparison is difficult because things are much larger in VR making them easier to read in VR now so you may argue that it is better VR because its just as sharp but also about 2x as large.

 

 

 

So the change here has to be software. Not sure if windows or steam. but I suspect this change MAY have occurred within the last month because I notice that FPSVR window is now in focus...It was not when my old headset failed. OR this may have been at whatever update they got rid of the "super sampling" and replaced it with "render res" or its totally something else

[Hammer1-1]

Going by Thuds VR4DCS guide, those supersampling tick boxes were there until the last 1.11 update to steamvr. I recall this because they had just changed this the day after I got my reverb set up and running, so it is in a previous build.

[Shack]

Reverb with Leapmotion

 

I understand that the Reverb integrates well with Leapmotion hand motion controllers. Can anyone provide any feedback ?

[imacken]

Going by Thuds VR4DCS guide, those supersampling tick boxes were there until the last 1.11 update to steamvr. I recall this because they had just changed this the day after I got my reverb set up and running, so it is in a previous build.

 

That guide is out of date in quite a few aspects.

[Hammer1-1]

I can argue its still relevant and a great place to start, but yeah it needs an update.

[imacken]

I can argue its still relevant and a great place to start, but yeah it needs an update.

 

It’s a reasonable place to start, but certainly not a ‘bible’ as some seem to think.

[speed-of-heat]

Alright chaps,

 

i need your help and wisdom, my microphone in my hmd has stopped working, i have made sure its enabled in windows as device and it it , but somethings screwy , it doesnt detect any sound, and if i try and setup microphone, it tries to take me into calibrate microphone and then instantly tells me its fixed...it also says no jack information detected in the troubleshooter and if i try and set up microphone via "speech recognition" i get a wizard cannot start error...

 

any ideas or thoughts .,. going slightly crazy here

[Hammer1-1]

In Windows Mixed Reality Portal in audio and speech, what options do you have turned off?

[speed-of-heat]

In Windows Mixed Reality Portal in audio and speech, what options do you have turned off?

 

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