Lockon feud: 25T pilots call A10 pilots a noobs

[RvETito]

Without having made any tests with the Su-25(T) myself I suppose that what have been modelled is the engine cut-off valve which is normally used to shut down the engine but there's also a shut-off valve that cuts the fuel line before the engine nacelle. Every a/c has such devices, the cut-off valve(in russian- stop valve) is part of the engine control unit while the shut-off valve (in russian- fire valve) belongs to the fuel system (low pressure). In case of engine fire you must close both of them- if the shut-off valve is still open and the boost pumps are operating the fuel will enter the nacelle and feed the fire if there's any.

[airea]

Tank Killers? It this a Game? :confused: Can you please tell me more about it?

 

Tankkillers is some kind of a myth for the time being. It is said to be the next project of ED (or was it the second next after the first next, I cant remember) based on ground movers. As Black Shark is not released yet, Tank Killers is nothing more then a myth or at least a good hope for us:)

[Prophet]

I have seen many of these wars. I would think even in real life the A10 could out manuever an Su-25T, it just looks like it should be able to.

 

But, for anyone who thinks the Su25T is too hard to fly, just dont know how to fly it.

 

I rarely blow tires on landing or taxi. I have no problem getting lined up well before 40km. No problems flying low, getting to target area. Only problem I have is being real accurate with the cannon, and thats not just the 25T.

 

Key to the 25T... AoA gauge. Watch it, and dont go red. If you do, she will want to roll over on you.

[159th_Viper]

 

But, for anyone who thinks the Su25T is too hard to fly, just dont know how to fly it.

 

Precisely :)

[AndyHill]

So, what do u guys think, what would be the worst punishment for an A10 pilot? AFM? :D

 

Absolutely. A-10 pilots deserve a real punishment and this is the way to deliver. Come on, let those buggers have it and properly!

 

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Lock on MUST have a dynamic campaign generator with multiplayer capability AND toe-brakes on an axis

[GGTharos]

Frog pilots would be so screwed. A sidewinder with reach, an A-10 capable of doing all its maneuvers, a faster and steadier A-10 ... ;)

 

Yep. Punish'em with that AFM!

 

(PS: Conditions apply. Check literature on 'compression effects')

[Maulkin]

I think we discussed this befor,

 

A-10

1. Manuveralbility

2. Wepons payload

3. Armour.

4. The Gun

5. Fuel load

6. You can see out side the cock-pit.

 

SU-25

 

1. Weapons payload

2. ahhh eeeerrr.

 

Landing gear is weak.

Flight dynamics and Physics are out of control, yaw-pitch on high G turns are less than desirable. Especialy when your ground pounding, one might need to move out of the way of SAMs and AAA; SU-25 is a fling brick compared to the A-10.

 

I will take the A-10 any day.

 

T

 

P.S. The A-10 is a great jet to watch in an air show.

 

 

How about insane firepower with multiple gunpods and guided munitions? How about the anti-radiation missles that the A-10 is without? How about the Su-25 and Su-25T speed? It can almost attain Mach 1. By the time the A-10 reaches the target area the Su-25 has already been there and back and the pilots are in the barracks drinking vodka. :D

[Blacknemisis]

The T is my fav plane to fly. Once you get used to the AFM its pretty easy to fly. It took me awhile but I got it. The key is the auto pilot modes. To fly the T I use that mode maybe 90% of the time and the other 10% is for taking off and evading missles. The A10 is great to but it does fill like your flying on of the fighters.

[tflash]

Honestly, I find the whole AFM thing largely overrated and besides it would be very bad marketing, since it casts unnecessary doubt on the main product, without which the add-on would never have sold in the first place. ED however has never claimed the SFM is bad, quite on the contrary, they are rightly proud on all of their work. They have consistently defended the FM of F-15C and Su-27 on this board.

 

Remember there was this interview with a real A-10A pilot who found the A-10 in Lockon "more difficult to fly as IRL" ;) Can anyone find it back? It was on SimHQ I think.

 

AFM on the F-15C and Su-27 would mean much less than on the Su-25T, since the main power vector is of a totally different magnitude. Besides, WOE, a so-called "lite" sim, DOES model inertia in a very good way and it doesn't mean much on Phantom and F-15A, It just makes them even more easy to fly, because you have better "feel" what's happening.

 

On an FBW fighter like F-16 it would mean close to nothing.

 

I must say I really enjoy the Su-25T, but I enjoy the Su-27 e.g. much, much more! I cannot know if the model is correct, but it just feels right. AFM on the A-10A? Sure as hell, let it come, it will be even better.

[The_GOZR]

Pilotasso you have no idea. try to do that at high speed in RL.

[Frostie]

Remember there was this interview with a real A-10A pilot who found the A-10 in Lockon "more difficult to fly as IRL" ;) Can anyone find it back? It was on SimHQ I think.

 

I wouldn't pay any attention to that , im sure F1 drivers find it harder playing F1 sims.;)

 

One thing for sure that puzzles me about A-10 (which for killing ground targets IMO is unrealistic you can kill 50+ in one sortie) is the fact that stingers and iglas almost bounce off the A-10 where as one hit on the Frog the majority of the time your as good as dead, im sure the Frogs armour is just as strong as the A-10's in RL, unless its to do with engine position.

[Pilotasso]

Pilotasso you have no idea. try to do that at high speed in RL.

 

either you got stick issues or I dont see any problems at all with AFM? :huh:

 

Dis you EVER took the stick of anything that flies for real? I had, even if it was a pure amateur.

[The_GOZR]

pilotasso .. Actually yes .. I did in many occasions.

 

I didn't specified AFM.

 

Now get this right flying a scessna and flying fast jets or ww2 fighters are two different world.

[xplight]

25T pilots call A10 pilots a noobs

- yes, some times it happends.

But i call some one noob, - becourse he have no skill, or he making stupid mistakes. And it dosent matter on what plane he is....

 

Fly Su25 or Su25T is more difficult, but it is more interesting. And if u remember such server - 504A2G - so it was so cool to shoot down 3-4 A10 with vikhr ;) And it dosent matter if they wer noobs or not.

 

So, if some one call u a noob, just from the fact that you have taken the A10, is just not pay attention.

[Highwayman-Ed]

I wouldn't pay any attention to that , im sure F1 drivers find it harder playing F1 sims.;)

 

One thing for sure that puzzles me about A-10 (which for killing ground targets IMO is unrealistic you can kill 50+ in one sortie) is the fact that stingers and iglas almost bounce off the A-10 where as one hit on the Frog the majority of the time your as good as dead, im sure the Frogs armour is just as strong as the A-10's in RL, unless its to do with engine position.

 

You need to put your missile slider up... An Igla hit on my hog 95% of the time results in the loss of an engine or the hydraulics, but the A-10 was made that way (not saying the frog wasn't either mind...) and yes the engine position was deliberate in the planning for it's survivability.

 

50+ targets... with CBU's and soft targets for your Avenger to chew on, that shouldn't be too difficult for an experienced hog driver... :thumbup: