Baz000 Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) Either its because of parallax from pilots view perspective or the G meter is giving slightly false indication. But typically in straight and level flight you would be showing 1 G on the meter, in the Tomcat the needle is below 1 G by almost 1 needle width. When trimming so that the needle is at 1 G from pilot view, and then switching to external F-2 view of own jet in DCS... It indicated the jet is flying at 1.2 Gs and not 1.0 as trimmed in the cockpit and shown on the indicator. Thus, the G indication in the cockpit instrument is not matching what DCS is seeing by .2 Gs... While .2 Gs might seem marginal, it is approximately half of .5 G. If this is the case, I would like to see it resolved in future patch. Edited April 14, 2019 by IronMike
Victory205 Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 Move your seat down. Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
VampireNZ Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 Move your seat down. On that note - do you have any insight to share with regards to your seat height visual references in the cockpit. Every aircraft I have been involved with has a certain setting to align your eyes to for the 'ideal' position (many commercial a/c actually have items on the centre pillar you line up etc). I.E grab rail in line with the windscreen top edge, top surface of camera just visible etc? Vampire
viper2097 Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 Is there a way to move the seat up / down? Have not found a switch for that. Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules
Eldur Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 Thanks to the distance between the needles and the surface the scale they're pointing at is on. Same applies to the trim gauges, i.e. it looks like the horizontal tail surfaces are not in sync with not lateral stick input even though they are.
Baz000 Posted March 31, 2019 Author Posted March 31, 2019 yeah noticed that about the trim needles too... So annoying
Top Jockey Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 Is there a way to move the seat up / down? Have not found a switch for that. Of course there is: R Shift + R Ctrl + Numpad 2 - seat goes down; R Shift + R Ctrl + Numpad 8 - seat goes up... :D Jets Helis Maps FC 3 JA 37 Ka-50 Caucasus F-14 A/B MiG-23 Mi-8 MTV2 Nevada F-16 C MiG-29 F/A-18 C Mirage III E MiG-21 bis Mirage 2000 C i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB
Baz000 Posted March 31, 2019 Author Posted March 31, 2019 Problem is when I move the seat down enough to see the G needle where it should be, your head is straight ahead in front of the stick and TID now... So good luck flying lol
Deano87 Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 It’s called parallax. Gauges change depending on what angle you look at them from. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
VampireNZ Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 Problem is when I move the seat down enough to see the G needle where it should be, your head is straight ahead in front of the stick and TID now... So good luck flying lol You don't keep your view at that level lol. To account for parallax, you would look at the gauge from your normal position and see what it reads, then look at it directly and determing the amount of offset your viewing position gives you normally so you can then account for the variation every time. So viewed from above, the gauge might read 2g, but you know it is actually reading 2.2g. Obviously this changes with the needle angle also, so if the needle is vertical, then there is no parallax - and then reverse for when it moves through the vertical again to the other side. A bit of common sense is required... Granted if you needed an accurate reading if it was an oil pressure gauge or something to record maybe in a log you would again view the gauge directly. Vampire
Victory205 Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 Common sense? Here? Are you mad? ;) Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
Baz000 Posted March 31, 2019 Author Posted March 31, 2019 I mean I would get that if we had seat of the pants feel in DCS, but we do not and as such we rely on visual and audible cues
Victory205 Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 My arse couldn’t sense .2 G’s of difference, still can’t, nor does it matter. Close this thread. Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
Deano87 Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 My arse couldn’t sense .2 G’s of difference, still can’t, nor does it matter. Close this thread. +1 Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
viper2097 Posted April 2, 2019 Posted April 2, 2019 Of course there is: R Shift + R Ctrl + Numpad 2 - seat goes down; R Shift + R Ctrl + Numpad 8 - seat goes up... :D Ok, xD. And serious? Any way in the tomcat to lower or raise the seat? Steam user - Youtube I am for quality over quantity in DCS modules
Baz000 Posted April 2, 2019 Author Posted April 2, 2019 God, I miss the G indication on the HUD... At least you get the Alpha tape on the HUD frame lol
VampireNZ Posted April 2, 2019 Posted April 2, 2019 Ok, xD. And serious? Any way in the tomcat to lower or raise the seat? Yes ;). Pretty standard height adjustment for an ejection seat. Vampire
Baz000 Posted April 2, 2019 Author Posted April 2, 2019 Its gonna take alot more than 5 inches of vertical movement :D
Strikeeagle345 Posted April 2, 2019 Posted April 2, 2019 That's what she said... :joystick: Strike USLANTCOM.com i7-9700K OC 5GHz| MSI MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON | 32GB DDR4 3200 | GTX 3090 | Samsung SSD | HP Reverb G2 | VIRPIL Alpha | VIRPIL Blackhawk | HOTAS Warthog
CoBlue Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 If it's a bug it should be fixed. Can't be hard for HT to do that. 0.2 over is 0.2 too much. i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR.
Victory205 Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 If it's a bug it should be fixed. Can't be hard for HT to do that. 0.2 over is 0.2 too much. Have you ever considered that the G meter rests a little high in the real aircraft? Often VSI's are off a little. You simply compensate. Man, you guys are really spoiled by RLG's and FBW toys. How do you cope when realized that your Smartphone isn't giving you the true signal strength in bars displayed? Fly Pretty, anyone can Fly Safe.
Deano87 Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 Have you ever considered that the G meter rests a little high in the real aircraft? Often VSI's are off a little. You simply compensate. Man, you guys are really spoiled by RLG's and FBW toys. How do you cope when realized that your Smartphone isn't giving you the true signal strength in bars displayed? Exactly Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
VampireNZ Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) Have you ever considered that the G meter rests a little high in the real aircraft? Often VSI's are off a little. You simply compensate. Man, you guys are really spoiled by RLG's and FBW toys. How do you cope when realized that your Smartphone isn't giving you the true signal strength in bars displayed? True that! - as a FE I would have had a mental breakdown if I had stressed over every analogue needle that wasn't perfectly aligned! We had 20 needles just on a single 1' x 1' overhead panel. :crazy: Same system gauge on each engine even indicated different values - you just got out the screwdriver, loosened the retaining ring and rotated the gauge so all the needles were more or less aligned - quik glance = all gd. You must learn to embrace the nuances of analogue gauges, just like the other characteristics of the Tomcat.:thumbup: Edited April 3, 2019 by VampireNZ Vampire
RustBelt Posted April 3, 2019 Posted April 3, 2019 If it's a bug it should be fixed. Can't be hard for HT to do that. 0.2 over is 0.2 too much. It's a G Meter on a fighter, not a precision gravitational accelerometer. You're not trying to measure the density of the earth's core. It's not even a primary flight instrument. Analog gauges aren't perfect. If they were nobody would have invented lying digital displays that fudge numbers.
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