New A-10 model..

[FWT]

Great work!

[zaelu]

I remember Walmis made his F-15 from scratch and in aproximately one month... plus some time for patching but, the base model was made quite quick.

 

This 100k polys model looks great but, many small problems in it could hide behind it. Reworking those minor issues (or big unknown yet ones) could take a great deal of time.

 

In the end... if one can "rework" a model why couln't one build it from scratch? At the end of the "day" he could say confident in him: "I made that!".

 

I would realy like a new high def A-10 model... I would have liked one more than the F-15 :) but, I can't let my wishes in place of my judgment. Troffmeister has (again) a good point in this and bashing him for pointing posible flaws in the approach of A-10 model building is plain rude.

 

...I mean, Shamandgg (or was it SuperKungFu?) found great A-10 blue-prints... :huh:

[Yeniceri]

guys..

I wasnt planing to do an a-10..

In fact..I never fly an a-10 in lockon..ever!..

I am doing this couse i believe it will make ppl happy

But i guess it is making lots of ppl unhappy...

I am confused here..

 

i want to get over it as soon as possible..

and working over a made one is way faster..

I AM GOING TO FINISH THIS!!!

No matter what ppl say..

No matter what happens..

Any further argument about a from scratch A-10 is futile..

(except..somebody proves that this model is stolen..than it aaaall stops and goes to garbage..literally)

 

Edit..

Besides..There is almost just body and wings left original..or at least going to be..

after its done..I might get back to it and remodel them..I dont know yet..no promises..

[SuperKungFu]

also, walmis didn't show any WIP screens of his F-15. So he kept that thing a secret until the very end and basically surprised the community. I guess that was a smart idea on his half since he avoids a lot of annoying questions like "is it done?" or "when will it be released?" However, doing so also cuts the community out of the picture and doesn't give you a lot of feedback. That's why there were a couple of updates following after the release. So i stongly urge if you are starting a project, inform the forum and let us help you in any way. For example, to Yeniceri, if you want any photos of a particular area of the A-10 to model better, give us a shout out and we'll come running with those photo reference.

[Troffmeister]

You know what makes me really laugh , is when people on these boards talk about community and help

 

from my personal experience - i offered the community a brand new 3d Tu 160 Mr Blackjack - it was offered free with 2 conditions to a talented individual to help finish the project - basically keep the 3dmax file private / ok to release the lom file for all to fly free - it needed / needs skinning and animation

 

now to date a number of months down the line none of you - to a man or woman - have the skill to come forward and take the challenge and finish the project !

 

so yep it makes me real mad when people talk about community help / community feedback / community vetting and criticism/ critique of any new genuine 100% original 3d work project

 

and yep it makes me mad when people come onto the forums with new 3d stuff - that never gets finished or released - or oh dear the model disappears becoz of a hard drive crash - and oh dear i forgot to back it up to a 50 cents blank dvd - duh!!

despite i worked on it night and day for like a year !

 

shall i continue ?

 

-it also makes me mad that the free lunch brigade wants wants wants and never gives gives gives ,the required help - and frankly it seems the majority could not give a toss where a 3d model comes from, as long as you get a new free flyable plane - frankly from what i see and read and my experience of the so called community around here you don't deserve it

 

you would rather flame any messenger ,than get off your bums and actually help out , when help is required and asked for , and contribute something constructive to the mix , to benefit all

 

for your collective info ,i stopped 3d modelling a few months ago for exactly the reasons above - i had 2 projects built - not aircraft - and 1 on hold - also right now ,i don't have the time or inclination to continue 3d stuff for LO - due to building a new pc and transferring data over to the new beast for middle of next week switch over

 

hope you enjoyed my rant - flame away !

[FWT]

Ouch , sorry about that.:(

[Yeniceri]

from my personal experience - i offered the community a brand new 3d Tu 160 Mr Blackjack - it was offered free with 2 conditions to a talented individual to help finish the project - basically keep the 3dmax file private / ok to release the lom file for all to fly free - it needed / needs skinning and animation

 

now to date a number of months down the line none of you - to a man or woman - have the skill to come forward and take the challenge and finish the project !

 

so yep it makes me real mad when people talk about community help / community feedback / community vetting and criticism/ critique of any new genuine 100% original 3d work project

 

and yep it makes me mad when people come onto the forums with new 3d stuff - that never gets finished or released - or oh dear the model disappears becoz of a hard drive crash - and oh dear i forgot to back it up to a 50 cents blank dvd - duh!!

despite i worked on it night and day for like a year !

 

Sooo..

thats the reason than :)

 

will you be really happy if i stop this and finish you blackjack??

 

oh man...U are colorful..

[Troffmeister]

no man ,wrong again ! , i offered you the blackjack , you said no , thats good enough for me , i was kind enough to make you the offer back in the jsf thred , to get it finished for the community to use - i respect your decision to decline it , no hard feelings from me - my rant above is not directed at you

 

as i said before i have no problem with you , and i respect your decision , and your declining the blackjack no problem

 

all i did re the a10 was offer you the info - i have on the a10 - as a fellow 3d modeller - i thought you should know - i have concerns about its origin - that was and is the only reaon i posted in this thred initially

 

my advice to you is not to think that when i or anyone else posts stuff here on this forum , or even in this a10 thred , that its about or directed at you - you are not that important my friend , no one is - perhaps take a trip down the mountain , and get your head out of the clouds )

 

kindly note , the blackjack thred , its making , and me offering it to the community - and asking for help - pre dates your appearance and entrance onto these forums recently - so in NO way does my rant apply to you )

 

If you take the time to do your research and actually back read the forum threds , and note times and dates , you will see i have asked on numerous times for help , and i have made it plain , that the blackjack model was sitting here waiting for the appropriate community help .

 

I only approached you in the jsf thred becoz , you seemed to posess the appropriate skills required , and i thought you might like the job / challenge - trust me i don't just approach anyone , and you should take that as a compliment and in the spirit it was offered )

[Frostie]

You know what makes me really laugh , is when people on these boards talk about community and help

 

from my personal experience - i offered the community a brand new 3d Tu 160 Mr Blackjack - it was offered free with 2 conditions to a talented individual to help finish the project - basically keep the 3dmax file private / ok to release the lom file for all to fly free - it needed / needs skinning and animation

 

now to date a number of months down the line none of you - to a man or woman - have the skill to come forward and take the challenge and finish the project !

 

so yep it makes me real mad when people talk about community help / community feedback / community vetting and criticism/ critique of any new genuine 100% original 3d work project

 

and yep it makes me mad when people come onto the forums with new 3d stuff - that never gets finished or released - or oh dear the model disappears becoz of a hard drive crash - and oh dear i forgot to back it up to a 50 cents blank dvd - duh!!

despite i worked on it night and day for like a year !

 

shall i continue ?

 

-it also makes me mad that the free lunch brigade wants wants wants and never gives gives gives ,the required help - and frankly it seems the majority could not give a toss where a 3d model comes from, as long as you get a new free flyable plane - frankly from what i see and read and my experience of the so called community around here you don't deserve it

 

you would rather flame any messenger ,than get off your bums and actually help out , when help is required and asked for , and contribute something constructive to the mix , to benefit all

 

for your collective info ,i stopped 3d modelling a few months ago for exactly the reasons above - i had 2 projects built - not aircraft - and 1 on hold - also right now ,i don't have the time or inclination to continue 3d stuff for LO - due to building a new pc and transferring data over to the new beast for middle of next week switch over

 

hope you enjoyed my rant - flame away !

 

Nice Rant, but seriously maybe you should have thought it through before slaving so much time into your project.

 

Firstly this community is not an exactly large one if anything its miniscule so to expect to find the right people to do the job is already a tall order let alone expect them to indulge a lot of their time , probably already taken up by more pressing issues , on an aircraft that nobody is really going to see much of.

 

What I mean is A-10's , F-15's people fly these so new models gain interest a new BlackJack hmm ill wager at least 50% of the people who read these forums haven't even seen one in game.

[Troffmeister]

No worries , lesson learnt , why do you think i have not bothered to show , or bring anything else new to the LO forums in the last few months ?

 

once bitten , twice shy , i don't tend to repeat mistakes

 

once i get this this new pc up and running next week , i am going off to pc game big time - got about 40 titles to check out , so LO will be long gone for quite a while

[Yeniceri]

Trof..

ok..

thanks for kind words..

and i didnt decline blackjack for my own pleasure..

lets remember..

 

"I just checked the forum and meet mister Blackjack..

it is B E A Utiful ...

And thank you for offering shareing with me..Honored !...

But..

there are problems..

1-Actually..I really want to make all of those planes up there..And i really dont have time for all of them..I only got time for doing one of them..

 

2- i really need major code help... I dont know how to change the engines location..I dont know how heatblur works..I dont know how high altitude trail works..(i just used the f-15 for all these).."..

 

Thats what i said..

And i guess the important part is second part..

I declined it becouse i cant do it yet..

besides as i underlined at the same post Honored for trusting me with blackjack..I know what it means for you or anymodeller to offer the model.

 

An i agree with you with most parts..

Yes if its stolen. It should not be used..

It is against my morel code either..

And as i told you before..

If you can prove that argument, i will trash that model before i read the last word. But its your word against many others..

That is not enough to scarp a project that everyone waits with excitement for soo long..I hope you understand that..

This community may have flaws..But its better than many, many other communities. If in the past i offended you I am sorry..But believe me, my head is not over the clouds. And i dont think i am that important at all for doing one or two models..There are lots of great modelers here..

So..Lets settle down..

lets be calm..

I know you have doubts about the moral status of this project..

I understand it disturbs you..

The low poly disturbed me and i shared that feeling here. Declined to work on it.And send it to garbage. So we are not that far from each other..

Since you made your point..please stop now..This thread is really going of the rails here..What if you are wrong bro?.Did you ever think that way?

 

From one modeler from another..

Lets drop the subject until somebody comes up with a proof of theft..

 

Take care

=TuAF= Yeniceri..

[Troffmeister]

No probs , as i said i have already moved on from Lo 3d stuff , and i will be returning to general pc gaming big time , for alot of fun i hope soon , on my new rig next week )

 

whatever re the a10 - i think you will find its more a matter of conversion rather than theft , but frankly i am past caring anymore !

 

enjoy your 3d projects )

[Yeniceri]

thnks..

[Yeniceri]

ok guys..

i was lazy yesterday and didnt touch it..

today i fixed the main wings..

But i must say, its getting harder to reduce poly without touching the details..

My estimation is..It will be impossible near 65.000 poly or something..

Its 76.000 now..there is pit (inc. canopy ), rear wings, stabs, flaps and rudders to work on. If 65.000 poly is ok (i think it is!) than the beast stays all details untouched. If its not i am going to have to start simplify things..

 

there you go.. No WIP pictures this time..

Quick renders for the eye candy :)

 

 

 

 

C you later guys..

[JaNk0]

Quick question. Will the blades rotate or is this only possible with su-25t ?

 

P.S. Nice work Yeni

[Yeniceri]

Well ..

superkungfu send me some arguments..

i wll try them at the animation stage..

hope it works..

[zaelu]

You can lose a lot of the detail in the brake strip on the wing. Those will be detailed by skin anyways, so theres no need to keep polygons there.

 

:D well the point was to improve the curent model isn't it?

[Yeniceri]

zaelu is right..

if its gonna look like the stock model at the end..

whats the point of diong it..

i think 65 k is ok for playing...

but..

we are not even there yet

[Yeniceri]

ppl..

i checked the strip..

after i revised there (the latest render) its now 121 poly for each wing

242 poly total..if we add the rotor blades (174 total)

makes 416 poly.. so..it wont make any important diff..

 

check this out..

 

the red is the one i revised..

gray is the original model..

i handpick ever unneeded poly and delete it..

whole a-10 is going under same labour...

after its done..if its still too much poly for you guys..

i am going to start scraping details..

but be warned..It will just gonna ruin the model..like low poly i posted few pages ago..if you want a detailed model.. you are gonna accept the fps loss ppl..

no any other way..:huh:

[FWT]

Cool, i got gmax today, and when i get to know the ropes i hope mine are as good as that. Keep up the good work!

[NotiA10]

looking good !!!

 

:thumbup:

[Yeniceri]

well..

i need a pilot..

and i suck at human (organic ) figures and 3d..

does any of you have a pilot?

[Deadman]

Yes

i'll send it to you now:thumbup:

[Yeniceri]

Thanks deadman..

i got the pilots and helmets..

The green guy is the a-10 pilot :)

[warthogmadman987]

in my personal opinion I say that we keep the detail that is there.