Real Simulator FSSB R3 Lightning

[Lobinjaevel]

... I’ve read that they require a lot of force to use

 

You can adjust in software what force you want, both axis and also nonsymmetrical, so less force to the right than left for an example.

 

I love mine, it's an amazing base, I might switch mine out for a Vkb GFIII kosmosima grip when that release, just for my cockpit setup.

 

I don't regret buying the FSSB a second tho, you can customize it how ever you want in software!

[obious]

You can adjust in software what force you want, both axis and also nonsymmetrical, so less force to the right than left for an example.

 

I love mine, it's an amazing base, I might switch mine out for a Vkb GFIII kosmosima grip when that release, just for my cockpit setup.

 

I don't regret buying the FSSB a second tho, you can customize it how ever you want in software!

 

Awesome, great to know. How was the postage/delivery time etc? Was it easy enough to setup/install the TM Warthog electronics?

[Lobinjaevel]

I never installed the tm electronics, you don't need them to use a tm or virpil stick. Iirc the option is there so you can map your buttons as a tm wh, but use the axis from the fssb. I just remapped the buttons for the fssb base.

But as far as installation goes, very simple. They have a tutorial on their Youtube page, it takes a couple of minutes with a screwdriver.

 

I think the postage was fast, it ships from spain, so a couple of days :)

[obious]

I never installed the tm electronics, you don't need them to use a tm or virpil stick. Iirc the option is there so you can map your buttons as a tm wh, but use the axis from the fssb. I just remapped the buttons for the fssb base.

But as far as installation goes, very simple. They have a tutorial on their Youtube page, it takes a couple of minutes with a screwdriver.

 

I think the postage was fast, it ships from spain, so a couple of days :)

 

Awesome, the only reason I ask is that I saw a video on YT detailing the removal of an electronics board from the TM Warthog base and installation into the FSSB but that may have a diff version of the base

[Lobinjaevel]

The Lightning base is more or less the same base, just a newer version of it with some addons, but the construction is the same iirc, I only have the lightning

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Awesome, the only reason I ask is that I saw a video on YT detailing the removal of an electronics board from the TM Warthog base and installation into the FSSB but that may have a diff version of the base

 

Transferring the board into the FSSB is only required if you want the stick to be recognised as a TM WH (e.g. for maintaining button mapping, or if you want to use TARGET software). The base has its own USB port if you don't need this facility.

[obious]

Transferring the board into the FSSB is only required if you want the stick to be recognised as a TM WH (e.g. for maintaining button mapping, or if you want to use TARGET software). The base has its own USB port if you don't need this facility.

 

Got it, thanks!

[msmith301]

Does the FSSB R3 Lighting come with it's own base?

All the images i see show a different and much thicker base than what normally comes on the lighting.

[msmith301]

Which is better to upgrade my TM Cougar HOTAS with;

The Virpil WarBRD base

or the FSSB R3 Lighting (If it comes with base)

My TM Cougar gimbal recently cracked in half and I'm in need of doing something to get back up and running.

Been looking at the Warthog setup but I think I'm just buying into more bad TM quality issues.

Plus I'm not really sold on the Warthog system.

Have been using my TM Cougar for years and really like it.

The TQS throttle has everything right there on the throttle without ever having to take your hand off it.

The WarBRD base is definitely cheaper than the FSSB R3 system but which is better?

Edited March 1, 2020 by msmith301

[VirusAM]

msmith301 said:

Which is better to upgrade my TM Cougar HOTAS with;

The Virpil WarBRD base

or the FSSB R3 Lighting (If it comes with base)

My TM Cougar gimbal recently cracked in half and I'm in need of doing something to get back up and running.

Been looking at the Warthog setup but I think I'm just buying into more bad TM quality issues.

Plus I'm not really sold on the Warthog system.

Have been using my TM Cougar for years and really like it.

The TQS throttle has everything right there on the throttle without ever having to take your hand off it.

The WarBRD base is definitely cheaper than the FSSB R3 system but which is better?

 

 

 

The two bases are not comparable. One comes at your home at almost 600 euros (450+vat+shipping) the other at around 200 euros.

The fssb is a great hardware, but not for everyone. I think it is very solid also for use with Warbirds and Helicopters...event the Tomcat (the trim should move the stick and this won't happen with spring josysticks, so better use a non moving one at all).
This is only my experience and really the realsimulator base is a great kit, very precise and solid.

Edited May 2, 2022 by VirusAM

[msmith301]

The two bases are not comparable. One comes at your home at almost 600 euros (450+vat+shipping) the other at around 200 euros.

The fssb is a great hardware but I couldn’t get used to it...my plan was to use it as sidestick for the f16 but I couldn’t do the most easy manouvers with it.

I tried to get used to it but when a month later a tried to use the warbrd as a sidestick i got much better feeling and results and decided to sell the fssb r3.

So now i have the warbrd stick at right and a new Vkb gunfighter iii with 20cm extension as centerstick.

This is only my experience and really the realsimulator base is a great kit, very precise and solid

 

What is this "Side Stick" everybody keeps talking about?

Never heard that concept before.

[Lobinjaevel]

I'm guessing your after what a "side stick" is, it's just a stick that's placed on the side instead of between your legs. The F16 have it mounted on the right console, a lot of desktop player have it on the side aswell since it's usually mor ergonomic on a desktop

[VirusAM]

I'm guessing your after what a "side stick" is, it's just a stick that's placed on the side instead of between your legs. The F16 have it mounted on the right console, a lot of desktop player have it on the side aswell since it's usually mor ergonomic on a desktop

 

 

 

Correct.

The sidestick is the stick on the right as in the real f16 (but also f22, f35, rafale)

[msmith301]

ohh ok..Everybody keeps talking about dual controllers and sticks that are more sensitive than others I thought maybe people were setting up an additional stick for doing refueling or something.

I know my Cougar throttle would have me ramming into the damned plane every time.

Hey maybe that can be a new concept. Kind of like when the bombers take control of the aircraft on bombing runs.

[Naruto]

Anyone got a used FSSB their looking to sell?

 

Update: forget it, I just went ahead and bought a new one.

Edited April 22, 2020 by Naruto

[msmith301]

Completely agree. I currently own a Virpil T50 (center mount) and a FSSB R3 (side stick). I use the T50 for the majority of my flying in DCS, IL2 and Rise of Flight....the FSSB side stick is for BMS and now the upcoming F16 module. I also use it for Elite Dangerous occasionally as well.

 

I didn't realize that you could adapt the R3 to the Cougar base. I would love to set this up for using with my modern fighters in DCS...F/A-18C Hornet, F-18C Viper and F-15C Eagle. As well as any others I might add to my collection. Been thinking of the MIg-29 or Mig-35 only because of their low cost in the game.

Is it possible to keep multiple joysticks set up within the same game such as DCS.

I have the older Cougar HOTAS original but just bought the Virpil Warbird base for the joystick where I can take my Cougar joystick off and put it on the Warbird. However the Warbird is still a spring base the same as Thrustmaster but could probably take a lot more yanking and cranking then the TM ever could.

I Could I keep the warbird set up for flying older planes in DCS and put the R3 which is still available on the older cougar base for my modern fighters.

Just a thought.

[msmith301]

Correct.

The sidestick is the stick on the right as in the real f16 (but also f22, f35, rafale)

 

I personally have always had the stick on the side whether I'm using it for older WW2 planes or modern planes.

What is the reason they are still putting control sticks in the center such as the Hornet?

It seams so much more comfortable on the side. Not only at my desk but I could imagine having to always keep your right arm reached around to the center control stick must get tiring. With the side stick you just rest your arm on the side with your hand on the stick.

Also leaves you a lot more visual room for instruments in the center.

Both the F-15C and the F-16 came out around the same time. (The F-16 was so they could have a cheaper alternative to the F-15C which was costing around 30 million a piece at the time.)

But their control sticks are different.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

A centre mounted provides enough space for a conventional stick. Any plane with a side stick I believe is also the force sensing type. The only reason you get away with a conventional stick on your desktop machine is because most desktop sticks only have a fraction of the throw of the real thing.

[msmith301]

From what I'm seeing on their homepage the RSSB3 lighting is the entire base and control board without the actual control stick attached.

Is the RSSB3 Lighting compatible with the Cougar HOTAS joystick?

I know the stick can be attached to the Virpil Warbird base but what about the RSSB3 Lighting?

[pgh2atl]

From what I'm seeing on their homepage the RSSB3 lighting is the entire base and control board without the actual control stick attached.

Is the RSSB3 Lighting compatible with the Cougar HOTAS joystick?

I know the stick can be attached to the Virpil Warbird base but what about the RSSB3 Lighting?

 

Pretty sure it is. I have a Cougar Stick on one of their original RS1 bases. I wouldn't think it would be any different for the newer models.

[Gregkar]

Anyone knows if there a guide to make it feel as close as possible to the real F-16 stick? 

[Supmua]

The real F-16 stick requires crazy amount of force, more than 20 lbs for max input, something the home version of FSSB cannot cope with.  They design it to operate at half of the force input of the real thing, with typical force setting around 4-5 lbs, max around 13 but not recommended as you will probably break it.  Sometimes too much realism is no good.  My RS F/A-18 grip, for example, has the 2nd trigger that has the same resistance as the real thing and is really hard to squeeze, and a lot of times I would lose half a sec to a second during a gun run trying to squeeze the darn thing.  I’m used to it now but using it back to back with other grips still show a huge difference in the feel and operation, with others being much easier to operate.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Supmua

[Burt]

I do not recommend using a Thrustmaster warthog stick with the R3L because of the force sensing pressure it will buckle in time. But if you must for the time being this little gadget looks like it would be good. If I had to use the TM grips with this awesome base I would definitely use one of these.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194197276389

Edited January 30, 2022 by Burt