aniron Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 WingWin will have to get some certificates (like CE approval and that costs money) to be able to sell the HOTAS in the EU. They will have to pay handling fees and the slow boat transport from China, too. All that will have to be payed by the customer in the end. So I don't think it will get much cheaper than self import in the end. Wingwin stated they will find an EU warehouse to sell their product, so eventually we will be able to compare prices. I'll order directly from them. No, not cheaper, but you'll know in advance what the price is and there is less risk of hiccups in customs.
memoric Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) Hello I have some questions regarding the grip. I read that the 4-way hats also have a push function, is this realistic according to a real F/A-18 grip? Or can i designate the "push" to VR-Zoom? If not where else I could map VR-Zoom? Question maybe could not be answered yet, but I'll give it a try. Thank you! Edit: And according the throttle: Does it have an afterburner detend? Thanks Edited June 1, 2019 by memoric
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 This looks amazing, will start saving now. Will want to see a review by at least one respected DCS reviewer first though ;) However, one dealbreaker ... is the "flight ops panel" permanently attached to the throttle base or can it be removed? It's a great idea, but my eventual plans are a full cockpit and I need the throttle without the panel attached for that purpose. The panel could be removed. but I think it's the best for home cockpit, you don't need to make it. Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 Winwing, Can you please provide a projected time to ship from pre-order. It is understood delays may be unavoidable. Dear, The pre-order plan to begin in 1st,july. and begin to deliver after our launch events. If we find there will be a delay, the pre-order entrance and launch events will also delay. We will not take pilots money and not deliver! Take money when we can! Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 Not a question about wanting it or not. I'm sure it is an excellent joystick. Unless it has force feedback or something it simply isn't enough of an upgrade for someone like me to abandon the multiple grips and sticks I already have from VKB. I think the SUPER LIBRA is very special,but can't say too much, please waiting for our launch events and more reviews! Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 A nice Hotas, but i'm just interresting in the throttle, and i'm curios to see the software. Is the joystick and throttle can be put on a table and will be stable ? We have much more software engineer than our hardware engineer. See our avionic system, it's not a toy class thing. Please waiting for our launch events. Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 Hi WINWING. I'm interested in your products and want to buy it. Could you send it to Japan? Plz give me shipping cost informations. Yes of course, Please waiting for our online shop, the freight is automatic load from UPS/DHL. Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 No, I'm not underestimating your stick, it looks great enough. But 'throttle-only' purchase will be a good option for the users who prefer high quality non-conventional joystick like FSSB/FCC(force sensing), Brunner(force feedback) etc. Additionally it will be more affordable. Anyway, it's just a recommendation, I respect your sales plan. Thank you sir. Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 I also have to say after reading the specs. They where clever to add push button features to the 2 other 4 ways on the throttle. And also an extra "mini" 4 way on the stick. Thank you Nospin Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 The most clever part is how modular the system is. Don’t want the current panel on the throttle? Just remove it or swap with something else. The grips on the throttle and joystick are also exchangeable and this has a huge implication. Imagine having the right throttle or joystick grip/replica whenever you fly a particular plane, and swap them when you fly a different plane. If they can manage the supply chain and inventory as well as having easy to access purchasing/shipping options, the competitions will be in serious trouble (the other guys business models are still in the dark ages, improving but not much)—and it seems that they have a capacity to do so based on other more expensive stuffs that are sold on their website. You know too much :megalol: Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 Thanks WinWing, I'm so in as well. I'll take 2, ASAP. Sorry if this has been answered, but are the desk mounts adjustable in height? I assume they are, it's just difficult to tell from the pictures. I love what this Hotas looks like it has to offer. Modularity, and metal construction. As I've posted, I've been waiting for someone in China to create such a monster, as the current "new" hotas makers all have their manufacturing done in China as well. An "in house" hotas like this can have a lot of advantages in terms of time to get parts, create and innovate, etc. Great work WinWing, I can't wait to get my hands on this and wring it out. Very impressed with what I'm seeing. Yes it must be adjustable. and thank you for your praise. Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 You do avoid handling fees amounting to ~10€, plus potentially months of delay, and the risk of them messing up the notification and then returning to sender, plus you do know upfront exactly what you will be paying, but yes, in that case Winwing or their distributor would be paying (and charging) the VAT. And if numbers are large enough (they are for VKB) they can save money by using slow boat transport China->EU. Correct ,we will have EURO/US stock, you can choice air from our factory to your door(by air) or from our EURO/US stock to your door(by ship and truck). Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 Ok, but is there a link in English. I don't understand Chinese coming soon, please waiting . Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WINWING Posted June 1, 2019 Author Posted June 1, 2019 Hello I have some questions regarding the grip. I read that the 4-way hats also have a push function, is this realistic according to a real F/A-18 grip? Or can i designate the "push" to VR-Zoom? If not where else I could map VR-Zoom? Question maybe could not be answered yet, but I'll give it a try. Thank you! Edit: And according the throttle: Does it have an afterburner detend? Thanks Of course yes. please see our previous release in 1st page. Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
BarTzi Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 Looks great! Is there a place where we can view the dimensions of the set? (throttle seems too large for desktop use)
Fusedspine33 Posted June 1, 2019 Posted June 1, 2019 Dear, The pre-order plan to begin in 1st,july. and begin to deliver after our launch events. If we find there will be a delay, the pre-order entrance and launch events will also delay. We will not take pilots money and not deliver! Take money when we can! Looking for a better projected answer, 1 month, 2 months, 6 months. We are all excited but your company is new to all of us.
Bullant Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 The panel could be removed. but I think it's the best for home cockpit, you don't need to make it. Thanks for the answer, just what I wanted to hear. And yes it's great as a starting point, but it is not accurate for a full home pit. Intel i7 13700K @ 5.3 GHz / ASUS TUF Gaming Z490-Plus / 64 Gb G.Skill DDR4-3600 / RTX 4090 / 2TB Kingston KC3000 NVME / Win 10 x64 Pro / Pimax Crystal / WINWING F/A-18 HOTAS A-10C, AJS-37, AV-8B, F-4E, F-5E, F-14, F-15E, F-16, F/A-18C, F-86F, FC3, Christen Eagle 2, FW190D-9, Mosquito, P-47D, P-51D, Spitfire, AH-64D, KA-50, UH-1H Combined Arms, WWII Asset Pack, China Assets Pack, Super Carrier, Falklands Assets Nevada, Normandy, Persian Gulf, The Channel, Syria, Mariana Islands, South Atlantic, Sinai, Kola, Afghanistan
Fusedspine33 Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 dead as a doornail, not that you could read or order anything from it.
Gman109 Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 dead as a doornail, not that you could read or order anything from it. I'm going to take a guess that this is due to them updating it with an English/etc Ecommerce site that features the new Hotas. Just a guess, but a logical one IMO. Primary DCS System: AMD 9800x3d, MSI Tomahawk 870, 6TB m.2s (2x2t, 1x2tb), MSI Ventus 5080, Seasonic 1200 PSU, 64GB Gskill 6000mhz CL30. 32" Asus 4K OLED 240hz, 49"MSI OLDED Secondary System : 14600KF, z790 Tomahawk, 32GB Gskill 6000mhz CL32, Asus 4090, 2x2TB m.2. VR: Quest 3 for now. Virpil T50x2,T50CM2x2,Warbrd x2, VFX/Delta/Flankr/CM2/Alpha/Tm Hornet sticks, VKB GF3, Tm Warthog(many), Modded Cougar, VKB Pedals/MFG Pedals/Slaw Viper RX+109Cam Pedals/Virpil Pedals x2, Virpil T50+T50CM2+T50+T50CM3+VMAX Throttles/CH Fightersticksx2/CH Throttlesx2/CH peds, Quest 3. Virpil Rotor TCS Plus. All virpil grips, TM Grips, working on VKB GF Grips.
Aries144 Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 Wow, consider me interested! That throttle arrangement is excellent! I can imagine owning the F-18 throttle with an F-15E throttle grip addon, an F-16 throttle grip that attached to one or both throttle arms... :D Great work on the photography as well. Those pictures really make your product look good!
tintifaxl Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 No, not cheaper, but you'll know in advance what the price is and there is less risk of hiccups in customs. I was referring to cost only. Windows 10 64bit, Intel i9-9900@5Ghz, 32 Gig RAM, MSI RTX 3080 TI, 2 TB SSD, 43" 2160p@1440p monitor.
WINWING Posted June 2, 2019 Author Posted June 2, 2019 dead as a doornail, not that you could read or order anything from it. I'm going to take a guess that this is due to them updating it with an English/etc Ecommerce site that features the new Hotas. Just a guess, but a logical one IMO. Is the WINWING website dead for anyone else? Yes you are right, we are update our website and put on record on government. come back soon. Websit:http://WWW.WINWING.CN FULL METAL F/A-18 HOTAS MANUFACTURER (Include F18 Joystick/Throttle/Grip/Panels) FACEBOOK GROUP:https://www.facebook.com/groups/HOTAS/ OFFICIAL FACEBOOK :https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
memoric Posted June 2, 2019 Posted June 2, 2019 I'm a bit conserned about the quality of the desk mount. In the picture it looks a bit unstable. Is this the final product in your pics? Can we get another one? Thank you!
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