reported AI Radar Performance

[Nealius]

The AI knows whenever you shoot a missile at it, and their radars vastly over preform.

 

At this point I consider this game-breaking for single player or online PvE. I've had an Su-25 outrun an 120 shot at high aspect, 16nm, TWS.

[veenee]

Question out of curiosity: Is it half of the missile's maximum range, or is it half of the distance the missile is actually fired at?

 

 

 

I only ask because, for example, firing a phoenix at 35NM could theoretically be considered at half the range already - thereby leading the AI to react instantly.

 

 

 

I suspect it's half the range the missile is fired at, as I've not observed myself AI reacting to long range Phoenix or AMRAAM shots until the missile goes active.

AI reacts instantly to 25-30 miles Phoenix shot. Have not tried longer distances but I bet it's the same.

 

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[Sandman1330]

AI reacts instantly to 25-30 miles Phoenix shot. Have not tried longer distances but I bet it's the same.

 

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At longer distances (I usually fire around 50NM) they don’t react immediately, at least for me.

[veenee]

Just tried instant mission PG BVR - launch at 42 miles - chaffs released few seconds later, also AI knows which plane is being shot at.... :doh:

Tacview-20201014-155241-DCS-F-14B_IA_PG_BVR.zip

[MBot]

Any news on this issue?

[NineLine]

It is reported, but have you retested to make sure the same issues are still valid, things may have changed over time.

[MBot]

I have recently tested an AI MiG-21 engaging a look-down target at 60 km and a co-alt target at well beyond 100 km. So while I have not re-checked all AI aircraft, the basic issue is still present.

Just by the way, I have reported the issue 6 years ago for first time.

[MBot]

This is still an issue. Now year 7 since first reported. See you next year...

[PMcG]

Can someone explain to me why a Mig 19 is able to detect and track an F15E flying at low altitude at night? Maybe I'm missing something but I didn't think that was possible?

Mig19AtNightVsF15E.trk

[Realizm]

Yeah, I had a similar issue. It was some 50 miles out (Mig-19) and turning towards my F-15 no matter which direction I changed. I my radar off, the Mig-19 didn't even have an RWR mounted. There is no way a Mig-19 is seeing an F-15 at 50+ miles and tracking it perfectly. Problem is, the same thing happens with other aircraft. The Mig-21 AI does the same thing. Any chance to have ED look into the magical AI visibility regardless of sensors or eyeballs?

[MBot]

Sadly this still wasn't addressed. Latest test shows:

Radar detection range look-down:

MiG-19: 60 km (excessive range, radar not look-down capable)

MiG-21: 60 km (excessive range, radar not look-down capable)

MiG-23: 60 km (excessive range)

MiG-25: 65 km (radar not look-down capable)

MiG-29: 60 km

F-5E-3: 85 km (excessive range, radar not look-down capable)

 

I was looking forward to the Kola map as it features long distance and relatively sparse EWR density. Therefore it should offer various opportunities for low level penetration and detection avoidance tactics. Unfortunately this is absolutely pointless if aircraft such as the MiG-19, MiG-21 or F-5E can pick you up at 60+ km look-down.

Edited May 10, 2024 by MBot

[Realizm]

On 5/10/2024 at 7:26 AM, MBot said:

Sadly this still wasn't addressed. Latest test shows:

Radar detection range look-down:

MiG-19: 60 km (excessive range, radar not look-down capable)

MiG-21: 60 km (excessive range, radar not look-down capable)

MiG-23: 60 km (excessive range)

MiG-25: 65 km (radar not look-down capable)

MiG-29: 60 km

F-5E-3: 85 km (excessive range, radar not look-down capable)

 

I was looking forward to the Kola map as it features long distance and relatively sparse EWR density. Therefore it should offer various opportunities for low level penetration and detection avoidance tactics. Unfortunately this is absolutely pointless if aircraft such as the MiG-19, MiG-21 or F-5E can pick you up at 60+ km look-down.

 

Great testing. As someone who exclusively plays single player, it is stuff like this that causes all sorts of issues with immersion. It is great we have the most realistic aircraft of any simulation ever, but we're flying against all-seeing UFO's, that breaks immersion completely.

ED, any word on looking into this?

[MBot]

Happy new year. I wonder if AI radar performance get finally fixed in 2025.

[Volator]

Just one of many aspect in which the AI is severely overperforming. For combat only MP against human players makes sense in DCS because of things like this...