Padonis Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 As we know, the F-18 has an "ICLS" system. As of today, this system has only an aircraft carrier, which makes it difficult to land in bad weather at ordinary airports. Is there plans to introduce this system at ground airports, maybe at these airports what "ILS" already have? Is there plans to upgrade airports, TACAN, ILS, ICLS?
Cytarabine Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 There is no ILS on the US F/A-18C’s. It is fitted to some countries that have land based Hornets but they aren’t the version modelled here.
Padonis Posted July 17, 2019 Author Posted July 17, 2019 I know it. The question is: is there a chance for an ICLS system at airports?
gonk Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Why don't they (ED) look into adding the landbase ils option? Let's be realistic here.. this is just a representation of the Aircraft.... it is not modelled exactly like the real aircraft, they (ED) are not allowed. So a feature like adding the land based ILS (which some Countries have) would be nice and would not distract from the simulation/atmosphere. Intel Intel Core i7-8086K 32 Gig RAM 1 Tb Nvme SSD EVGA 1080Ti Win 10 64 Pro LG 34UM95 34 inch Monitor Track IR 5 Oculus Rift HOTAS Warthog...mod'd TDC SIMPEDS Pedals
Lordzarj Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Not in the game at the moment but there are user mods. Gulf: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3588791&postcount=1 Cauc and NTTR https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3303095/?sphrase_id=18561956
Emmy Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 What’s wrong with a Tacan Approach? 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com
RavenFrost Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 i don't see a problem landing on an airfield without ILS under bad weather conditions. 1st - Setup TACAN 2nd - Setup course on HSI 3rd - Start your approach from 10nm @ 3000ft with a glidescope of -3 degree 4th - If you can't see the runway at 1nm distance, Abort landing! choose a different airfield 5th - If you see the runway at 1nm distance, bring her home I'm not sure but i think Wags showed us this in one instructional Video. 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Padonis Posted July 17, 2019 Author Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) How many airports in the Caucasus has TACAN? ILS has more ... And how is visibility up to 100-200m, fog like milk, fuel is missing? Edited July 17, 2019 by padonis
RavenFrost Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 If your airport don't have TACAN or ILS. you can get the coordinates and create a waypoint. all you need is a "fix-point" and the runway heading. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Padonis Posted July 17, 2019 Author Posted July 17, 2019 Going this way, of course, I can land in the local Aero Club or in my wife's garden. However, we are talking about large airports, which are not currently damaged or disaster-stricken. :)
Ramsay Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) Going this way, of course, I can land in the local Aero Club or in my wife's garden. However, we are talking about large airports, which are not currently damaged or disaster-stricken. :) The best hope would be for ED to introduce/model a land based unit that could be ascribed the same advanced waypoint options as an aircraft carrier i.e. TACAN and ICLS. It could then be placed near and aligned with which ever runway a mission designer wished i.e. in the same way the compact AN/TPN-30 (~40NM TACAN / ~10NM ICLS) is used in real life for FCLP / temporary airfields. Field Carrier Landing Practice - Iwo Jima: Edited July 17, 2019 by Ramsay i9 9900K @4.8GHz, 64GB DDR4, RTX4070 12GB, 1+2TB NVMe, 6+4TB HD, 4+1TB SSD, Winwing Orion 2 F-15EX Throttle + F-16EX Stick, TPR Pedals, TIR5, Win 11 Pro x64, Odyssey G93SC 5120X1440
Harker Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 How many airports in the Caucasus has TACAN? ILS has more ... And how is visibility up to 100-200m, fog like milk, fuel is missing? You shouldn't be returning home running on fumes though. Set your Bingo so you have enough fuel to either hit a tanker or divert to another airfield. 1 The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro
SUBS17 Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 There is no ILS on the US F/A-18C’s. It is fitted to some countries that have land based Hornets but they aren’t the version modelled here. No ILS is modelled wrong IRL the Hornet has ILS which is a freq. It is ACLS that has channels for auto landing. On the Carrier pilots use ACLS but not Auto land, they use the ACLS bars without engaging Autopilot to land.:thumbup: ACLS cannot use ILS for Auto landing so it is for Carriers only. Hornets have ILS, any airport that has ILS should be compatible with the Hornets ILS even Russian Airports and Aerodromes.:joystick: It would be good if ED were aware of this and modelled it realistically. When the Hornet was built it was designed to land in any weather and ILS for use on runways is a critical system for IFR which always happens. Anyone who tells you that the Hornet does not have ILS to use on runways is not a Hornet PILOT!:doh: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
SUBS17 Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 i don't see a problem landing on an airfield without ILS under bad weather conditions. 1st - Setup TACAN 2nd - Setup course on HSI 3rd - Start your approach from 10nm @ 3000ft with a glidescope of -3 degree 4th - If you can't see the runway at 1nm distance, Abort landing! choose a different airfield 5th - If you see the runway at 1nm distance, bring her home I'm not sure but i think Wags showed us this in one instructional Video. The real Hornet has ILS, F-16 has ILS, SuperHornet has ILS, F-15 has ILS. The real Hornet has ILS!!! ILS on the Carrier is actually ACLS not ILS and gives a different glideslope to that of runways. The pilots selects ACLS and set channel, the ILS is supposed to be a frequency not channel.:doh: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Chuck_Henry Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 No ILS is modelled wrong IRL the Hornet has ILS which is a freq. It is ACLS that has channels for auto landing. On the Carrier pilots use ACLS but not Auto land, they use the ACLS bars without engaging Autopilot to land.:thumbup: ACLS cannot use ILS for Auto landing so it is for Carriers only. Hornets have ILS, any airport that has ILS should be compatible with the Hornets ILS even Russian Airports and Aerodromes.:joystick: It would be good if ED were aware of this and modelled it realistically. When the Hornet was built it was designed to land in any weather and ILS for use on runways is a critical system for IFR which always happens. Anyone who tells you that the Hornet does not have ILS to use on runways is not a Hornet PILOT!:doh: Sorry, dude, but this is entirely wrong. Other countries besides the US may have added ILS to their F/A-18s, but American F/A-18s remain without it. Your only options for approaches ashore are TACAN, PAR, or ASR. Supposedly, some Naval Air Stations have ICLS at the airfield, but the signals there and at the carrier are different from civil ILS which will not work with the F/A-18's ICLS receiver. Super Hornets received RNAV capability in the last few years, and Marine legacy Hornets in the last few months, but this only includes LNAV approaches, not LNAV/VNAV or LPV. Yes, you can use the UFC to create precise waypoints with elevation and use them to create an artificial glideslope if you want. Put them a mile apart starting at the runway numbers going up 300 feet each mile on the final approach course. Just understand that this is not a realistic practice, nor is it legal by any stretch of the imagination under FAA or ICAO regulations. The F/A-18's GPS lacks Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring, so it has no way of determining and alerting the pilot to bad satellite data.
TonyG Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 The real Hornet has ILS, F-16 has ILS, SuperHornet has ILS, F-15 has ILS. The real Hornet has ILS!!! ILS on the Carrier is actually ACLS not ILS and gives a different glideslope to that of runways. The pilots selects ACLS and set channel, the ILS is supposed to be a frequency not channel.:doh: Wow....so much bad information. Please do some research before you post this stuff. SYSTEM: Ryzen 9800X3D, ASUS 5070Ti , G.SKILL 64GB DDR5-6000, Windows 11, MSI TOMAHAWK X870, Quest 3, OpenHornet Pit
Flamin_Squirrel Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 The real Hornet has ILS, F-16 has ILS, SuperHornet has ILS, F-15 has ILS. The real Hornet has ILS!!! ILS on the Carrier is actually ACLS not ILS and gives a different glideslope to that of runways. The pilots selects ACLS and set channel, the ILS is supposed to be a frequency not channel.:doh: ILS, ICLS and ACLS are 3 separate systems. The hornet has ICLS and ACLS but not ILS.
DeathAngel1 Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 ILS, ICLS and ACLS are 3 separate systems. The hornet has ICLS and ACLS but not ILS. Yes, that's correct, but ALCS is not implemented yet. ..:NAVY PILOTS ARE THE THE BEST PILOTS:..
Deano87 Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 The real Hornet has ILS, F-16 has ILS, SuperHornet has ILS, F-15 has ILS. The real Hornet has ILS!!! Nope. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Flamin_Squirrel Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 Yes, that's correct, but ALCS is not implemented yet. Good info, but don't see why that's relevant to this conversation.
SUBS17 Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 Sorry, dude, but this is entirely wrong. Other countries besides the US may have added ILS to their F/A-18s, but American F/A-18s remain without it. Your only options for approaches ashore are TACAN, PAR, or ASR. Supposedly, some Naval Air Stations have ICLS at the airfield, but the signals there and at the carrier are different from civil ILS which will not work with the F/A-18's ICLS receiver. Super Hornets received RNAV capability in the last few years, and Marine legacy Hornets in the last few months, but this only includes LNAV approaches, not LNAV/VNAV or LPV. Yes, you can use the UFC to create precise waypoints with elevation and use them to create an artificial glideslope if you want. Put them a mile apart starting at the runway numbers going up 300 feet each mile on the final approach course. Just understand that this is not a realistic practice, nor is it legal by any stretch of the imagination under FAA or ICAO regulations. The F/A-18's GPS lacks Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring, so it has no way of determining and alerting the pilot to bad satellite data. No the real Hornet F/A-18A and C have ILS. ACLS is channels, ILS is always frequency on all aircraft it is exactly like the F-16. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
SUBS17 Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 Wow....so much bad information. Please do some research before you post this stuff. No the real F/A-18A and C have ILS as does the Superhornet. ACLS has channels, that is where the needles come from for carrier landings. ILS is for runways, entry should be frequency for ILS. Go AND TALK TO A REAL HORNET PILOT AND ASK HIM OR HER!!!:doh: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
KIO1606688872 Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) No the real F/A-18A and C have ILS as does the Superhornet. ACLS has channels, that is where the needles come from for carrier landings. ILS is for runways, entry should be frequency for ILS. Go AND TALK TO A REAL HORNET PILOT AND ASK HIM OR HER!!!:doh: No, they don't. You'd have to talk to a marine guy if they have switched over legacies to ILS boxes, however rhinos do not have ILS, only ICLS/ACLS as mentioned (edit: and RNAV as previously mentioned in higher lots). Growlers have the ILS box. Many want ILS to come to the rhino, but it's not here yet. Furthermore, for this time period with the US chuck, it absolutely did NOT have ILS. Fighter bases generally try to have an ICLS cart on a runway for bad weather days however. ICLS is selected via channel like implemented in game. Edited July 19, 2019 by KIO
Cytarabine Posted July 19, 2019 Posted July 19, 2019 No the real F/A-18A and C have ILS as does the Superhornet. ACLS has channels, that is where the needles come from for carrier landings. ILS is for runways, entry should be frequency for ILS. Go AND TALK TO A REAL HORNET PILOT AND ASK HIM OR HER!!!:doh: Perhaps your confusion is from talking to Aussie Hornet pilots or getting information on the Aussie Hornets? They did replace the carrier ILS and ACLS with a land based ILS/VOR receiver along with removing equipment for carrier ops but that is not the version of the Hornet modelled in DCS.
Deano87 Posted July 20, 2019 Posted July 20, 2019 No the real F/A-18A and C have ILS as does the Superhornet. ACLS has channels, that is where the needles come from for carrier landings. ILS is for runways, entry should be frequency for ILS. Go AND TALK TO A REAL HORNET PILOT AND ASK HIM OR HER!!!:doh: The US NAVY Hornet of the time period modelled in DCS Did not have ILS Lots of other Hornets, including the Blue Angel jets have ILS, but not the US Navy aircraft. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
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