BonerCat Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 The Phoenix has been out of US service for more than 10 years now, so that shouldn't be an issue... Considering the whole situation with Iran, a lot of AIM-54 info may very well still be classified. Modules: F-14, F-15C, F-16C, F/A-18C, M-2000C, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B N/A, MiG-29, Su-33, MiG-21 Bis, F-5E, P-51D, Ka-50, Mi-8, Sa 342, UH-1H, Combined Arms Maps and others: Persian Gulf, Syria, Normandy, WWII Assets, NS 430 + Mi-8 NS 430
QuiGon Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 Considering the whole situation with Iran, a lot of AIM-54 info may very well still be classified. The Iranians should very well know the fundamentals of the Phoenix usage by the F-14 from an aircrew perspective, which is what we talk about here. The deeper engineering side, is not the subject here, as it is irrelevant for the aircrew. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
gyrovague Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 The Phoenix has been out of US service for more than 10 years now, so that shouldn't be an issue. Hah, you'd think so, but you'd be wrong :P When I worked on the A-4E, there were even parts of that which were still classified, and our FOIA request for the info was categorically denied too. IIRC it was stuff like the LABS (Low Altitude Bombing System, basically a (probably) simple toss-lofting computer) that we couldn't get (legitimate) info on. ____________ Heatblur Simulations [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
QuiGon Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 Hah, you'd think so, but you'd be wrong :P When I worked on the A-4E, there were even parts of that which were still classified, and our FOIA request for the info was categorically denied too. IIRC it was stuff like the LABS (Low Altitude Bombing System, basically a (probably) simple toss-lofting computer) that we couldn't get (legitimate) info on. Well, the LABS is not exclusive for the A-4 Skyhawk. It might still be classified because it's also in use on other aircraft types, like for example the... uhm... F-86 Sabre :music_whistling::D Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
AvroLanc Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 Well, the LABS is not exclusive for the A-4 Skyhawk. It might still be classified because it's also in use on other aircraft types, like for example the... uhm... F-86 Sabre :music_whistling::D It might be somewhat restrictive since LABS is primarily a nuclear weapon delivery mode. Anything related to 'special' weapons tends to have a higher level of sensitivity. I guess even old tech.
QuiGon Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 It might be somewhat restrictive since LABS is primarily a nuclear weapon delivery mode. Anything related to 'special' weapons tends to have a higher level of sensitivity. I guess even old tech. Good point! Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Airhunter Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 Unfortunately we've had to remove the new AIM54 active code at the last minute, as some things ED provided don't seem to work correctly in multiplayer based on our extensive testing. This has also impacted TWS-A work a bit (indirectly), so that also won't be in the next patch cycle. There are a bunch of other nice changes though, watch the press for details. Since the OB update was delayed to next week can we expect those changes by then? That's a pretty substantial thing everyone is looking forward to.
bonesvf103 Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 Yeah, I know Phoenix has been out of service for so long, but there is still an air force that still use it and have been trying to reverse engineer it. But you are right, that doesn't really apply for the sim and flying with it. Bummer about TWS-A and AIM-54 on this evolution...but hey, watch pot no boil! v6, boNes v6, boNes "Also, I would prefer a back seater over the extra gas any day. I would have 80 pounds of flesh to eat and a pair of glasses to start a fire." --F/A-18 Hornet pilot
IronMike Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 Since the OB update was delayed to next week can we expect those changes by then? That's a pretty substantial thing everyone is looking forward to. Most unlikely, sorry about that. Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
Harlikwin Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) I'm happy to have it in the sim...What I meant is scary is that there is access to information about how it works, which one would think should be classified or at least not available. v6, boNes LOFL... Why? The AWG-9/AIM54's are 60's tech at best. As for the "bad guys" the iranians gave the soviets the AWG-9 to reverse engineer, same with the missile decades ago. Edited November 20, 2019 by Harlikwin New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Harlikwin Posted November 20, 2019 Posted November 20, 2019 Hah, you'd think so, but you'd be wrong :P When I worked on the A-4E, there were even parts of that which were still classified, and our FOIA request for the info was categorically denied too. IIRC it was stuff like the LABS (Low Altitude Bombing System, basically a (probably) simple toss-lofting computer) that we couldn't get (legitimate) info on. Curious are you in the US? New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Airhunter Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 Most unlikely, sorry about that. Thanks for the reply. I know this isn't Heatblur's fault. :thumbup:
captain_dalan Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) Most unlikely, sorry about that. Ah that's ok....... it's time to something productive with our weekends! Or spend some time with out families and loved ones! ......who am i kidding? :megalol: Gonna spend the weekend split between flying the thing and salivating over that nav grid video Jabbers made! Promise not to make fun of me, but i wet my pants a bit when i first saw it :music_whistling: Edited November 27, 2019 by captain_dalan Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
Blaze1 Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) Hah, you'd think so, but you'd be wrong :P When I worked on the A-4E, there were even parts of that which were still classified, and our FOIA request for the info was categorically denied too. IIRC it was stuff like the LABS (Low Altitude Bombing System, basically a (probably) simple toss-lofting computer) that we couldn't get (legitimate) info on. Well, the LABS is not exclusive for the A-4 Skyhawk. It might still be classified because it's also in use on other aircraft types, like for example the... uhm... F-86 Sabre :music_whistling::D It's strange that your request was denied gyrovague. I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple of videos for the A-4 and A-7 (official training videos) describing operational use of the LABS. While LABS delivery may have been classified at one point in the tactical manuals, I don't think that's the case anymore. I wonder if the denial was due to the A-4 still being in service with some forces. Edited November 23, 2019 by Blaze1
Harlikwin Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 Promise not to make fun of me, but i went my pants a bit when i first saw it :music_whistling: Just tell the crew chief it was hydraulic fluid or lithium grease on the seat.. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
lunaticfringe Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 LOFL... Why? The AWG-9/AIM54's are 60's tech at best. As for the "bad guys" the iranians gave the soviets the AWG-9 to reverse engineer, same with the missile decades ago. The AIM-54C's guidance was cribbed almost 1:1 for AMRAAM. There's this thing that keeps occurring with people who don't file FOIA requests thinking this work is easy, and the materials are provided carte blanche. They're not. IP rights of the developing party restrict them under non-classified terms (exemption type 4) as often as a manual has expired past its 5, 12, or 20 year date. Fall under that series, and you get the denial. And the mandatory declassification review appeal isn't free. Further, there are process influences that cause informational denials. Note the aforementioned C guidance; knowing the capabilities of what your opponent can do today with their coding, signal processing, and manufacturing techniques today tell you what their capability is going to be a decade or more down the road. This was how the purchase of information by the CIA from Aleksander Tolkachev was driving effective jamming techniques against all Soviet radars with the TEWS and ASPJ over a decade later- material/wafer capabilities drive density, and thus processing speed. Code technique coupled with processor time and peak power and frequency output specifications denote how well you can work that time now, and how far down the path you'll in accordance with your manufacturing development. We compare wafer process sizes between Intel and AMD- it's the same game between Phazotron and the former Hughes. And they're not giving any hints.
RustBelt Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 I'm not sure if I should be happy or scared that they got access to the code, heh. v6, boNes I'm happy to have it in the sim...What I meant is scary is that there is access to information about how it works, which one would think should be classified or at least not available. v6, boNes They meant the code ED uses to make missiles work in DCS. Not like, the code in the computer brain of the missile. :smilewink:
captain_dalan Posted November 27, 2019 Posted November 27, 2019 Just tell the crew chief it was hydraulic fluid or lithium grease on the seat.. :megalol: Should have thought about it myself! P.S. i never noticed my misspelling in that post before. I guess it's what happens when you reply to posts at 3 AM ....... which is what i'm doing right now....again :music_whistling: Correcting it right away1 Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache, F4U Corsair, WWII Assets Pack
EGG Posted November 28, 2019 Posted November 28, 2019 Curious, how would TWS-A work if there are multiple launches and multiple targets? Does it try to factor all of them in, or just target #1?
near_blind Posted November 28, 2019 Posted November 28, 2019 Curious, how would TWS-A work if there are multiple launches and multiple targets? Does it try to factor all of them in, or just target #1? It should attempt to keep as many tracks as possible within a scan volume that has a two second refresh rate.
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