Targeting Pod and Mav f question

[A.P. Hill]

Lately I’ve been having a lot of trouble getting my Maverick Fs to slew to what I have on my targeting pod in the F-18.

I’ve watched a number of tutorials on it and I believe I am setting it up properly. I’m wondering if someone could help me out with what I am doing wrong. I’ve uploaded a couple of png files for you to look at. The one shows the targeting pod image with a point track on a tank. The corresponding Maverick screen shows how far off it is.

Thanks for any help

[dawgie79]

AGM-65F is infrared imaging. You need the AGM-65E for use with the TGP.

[Sephroth]

I've had problems to. I'll designate and hold on the tgp, the Maverick will slew to the target area, but it won't lock, is always just off the target.

 

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[A.P. Hill]

I'm glad to know its not just me. I know it will work because I fly with some folks who it works for and I have had it work occasionally myself.

[Sephroth]

I might do a repair to DCS, see if that helps.

 

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[will-]

this is normal, when your in range all you need to do is SOI mav screen and press undesignate. it will stop the shaking.

[A.P. Hill]

Its not a shaking problem, The mav cross-hairs don't center over the target, even though the targeting pod on the target in point track mode.As in the above pics.

[Habu_69]

I believe DCS has stated that MAV seeker syncing to TGP targets is still WIP. I am guessing this is just another early access issue that will be tweaked sometime in the future.

[Harker]

I believe DCS has stated that MAV seeker syncing to TGP targets is still WIP. I am guessing this is just another early access issue that will be tweaked sometime in the future.

Looks like it. The seeker should look exactly where the pof is looking (assuming it's boresighted) and attempt to lock whatever is there. If you command a new target point with the pod, the seeker should unlock and repeat the process.

[wrl11]

As Will said, after the F seeker head slews I undesignate to break it from the flir track and then lock as I normally would with the F.

[Gierasimov]

It is possible to use MAV F with TGP

 

Lately I’ve been having a lot of trouble getting my Maverick Fs to slew to what I have on my targeting pod in the F-18.

I’ve watched a number of tutorials on it and I believe I am setting it up properly. I’m wondering if someone could help me out with what I am doing wrong. I’ve uploaded a couple of png files for you to look at. The one shows the targeting pod image with a point track on a tank. The corresponding Maverick screen shows how far off it is.

Thanks for any help

 

Maybe this video will help:

 

https://youtu.be/6Yt-43Cy9SU

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Gierasimov

[A.P. Hill]

Thanks for that little tidbit of info wrl11 .I will try that.

I have thought that it may be something that is still a WIP issue.

[A.P. Hill]

Thanks for that video. It is very helpful.

[caponi]

yes ... it works ... thx for the video !

 

But one question: why is the MAVF abbr. in the HUD for all Mavs crossed but launchable ?

It's a bit confusing ... for me ...

i thought the cross means weapon is not ready

[Brigg]

Yeah great video, been learning the Mavs over the past few days and this is by far the most informative.

[Gierasimov]

My theory

 

yes ... it works ... thx for the video !

 

But one question: why is the MAVF abbr. in the HUD for all Mavs crossed but launchable ?

It's a bit confusing ... for me ...

i thought the cross means weapon is not ready

 

As soon as you hit TDC Depress, you are going to boresight Maverick to whatever your targeting pod is looking at.

 

As I don’t have the required operational knowledge with regards to real-life Maverick, I assume that once the MAVF is off the rail, it will fly towards boresight and home in on the first thing it can see.

 

I understand that flashing CROSSED MAVF is indication of that.

 

I was able to reproduce this behaviour every time I tried to destroy a moving target.

A single press of TDC DEPRESS allows updating boresight right before RELEASE

[will-]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BelovedSincereFoxVoHiYo

 

heres a video describing the tgp not lining up w/ the mav. but as you will notice i am not in range of the mav.

 

if you watch the rest of the video where i launch you will see my steps to locking a target are, in range, and the method for locking the target and firing the mav are:

 

in range make tgp soi

tdc depress tgt.

soi mav screen (tgt will be jumping around if near any light poles etc.)

undesignate press only once. (tgt will now lock)

fire.

[Harker]

yes ... it works ... thx for the video !

 

But one question: why is the MAVF abbr. in the HUD for all Mavs crossed but launchable ?

It's a bit confusing ... for me ...

i thought the cross means weapon is not ready

It boresights to the TGP LOS and attempts to lock wherever is there. It seems that, right now, in DCS, the missile's seeker doesn't stabilize properly by itself once uncaged and instead of locking the object in view and remaining locked and stabilized once it does, it rapidly locks and unlocks.

It seems that is the result of a recent change to the Maverick's behavior after uncaging. I'm pretty sure they'll fine tune it.

[Harker]

As I don’t have the required operational knowledge with regards to real-life Maverick, I assume that once the MAVF is off the rail, it will fly towards boresight and home in on the first thing it can see.

To the best of my knowledge, the AGM-65F never had this capability, it requires a solid lock before launch. I think Raytheon was just starting to work on something like that in 2017 or 2018, so nothing we'd see anytime soon.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Harker

[viper2097]

As far as I understand, the Maverick should not be able to get off the rails without positive launch authorization.

Tried it yesterday, Maverick seems to lock on the target, but MAV is still crossed on the HUD:

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I would guess, that this looks like a DCS bug at the moment...

I can't imagine that it would be able to fire without a lock just boresight to the TPod...

[Harker]

As far as I understand, the Maverick should not be able to get off the rails without positive launch authorization.

Tried it yesterday, Maverick seems to lock on the target, but MAV is still crossed on the HUD.

I would guess, that this looks like a DCS bug at the moment...

I can't imagine that it would be able to fire without a lock just boresight to the TPod...

I realized that it only fires if you happen to press the pickle button during a moment that it's "locked". You can see that it changes between locked and unlocked state in the video.

 

Definitely a bug though. The seeker should remain locked until either commanded otherwise manually from the IMAV page or until there's another target designation from the TGP, whereupon it should slew to the new location and attempt a new lock. Or until the target goes outside of gimbal limits, whereupon the seeker should cage itself.