A.S Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 PART 2 Visual effects of +Gz: in retinal circulation in retinal perfusion grayout or blackout visual field Vision Loss 1. tunnel vision ==> in-from-the-sides 2. “dimmer switch effect” 3. splotches 4. curtain 5. combination/variations over time. Vision loss may be asymmetric. One sided light loss when check-6, normally inadvertently tilt our head a little, so one eye becomes higher than other top eye loses light before lower eye but we tend to “use the good eye” and ignore the light loss the light loss in the top eye is the GLOC warning! G-Excess Illusion head tilt during a turn is misunderstood by the body, which thinks your head has tilted more than it really has but since you know where your head is, you think that the plane experienced an uncommanded pitch-up watch out during a sustained turn don’t go by your instruments! Cerebral effects of +Gz: cerebral perfusion cerebrospinal fluid pressure Buffer Period your brain functions normally without any blood flow for about 6 seconds, then simply shuts down! probably a self-protective mechanism answer to today’s quiz question is: 6 sec Stohl curve GLOC Trap get in habit of waiting for light loss before we start to strain but may have no light loss warning before GLOC above 6 Gs Neurological Effects Cognitive changes -- error making some fatigue related, some ALOC ALOC -- “Almost GLOC” impairment but not LOC typical “almost lost it” scenario GLOC -- G induced loss of consciousness LOC is all-or-none, but G effects are a continuum GLOC -- A Continuum fully conscious light loss blackout cognitive impairment = ALOC unconscious = GLOC More about GLOC G-induced loss of consciousness 1. Absolute Incapacitation Period classic LOC -- out cold varies 1-18 sec, mean 12 sec typical in-flight GLOC is short: 1-6 sec as pilot lets go of the stick, plane goes to 1G flailing is common blood flow returns in watershed pattern 2. Relative Incapacitation Period 1-24 sec additional lights are on, but no one is home subject is upright, looks OK, but incapable of thinking or responding terminates abruptly with reintegration of mental functions and return to near normal capabilities may lose SA If you GLOC you may ... have some tingling or numbness have some twitching or jerking have a pleasant dream not realize that you GLOCed! be a little confused or disoriented be aware that you have lost your hearing feel a little “off” the rest of the day Does Physical Training help G-tolerance? before we can answer, we must understand the terms: Relaxed G-tolerance Endurance G-tolerance Straining G-tolerance Relaxed G-Tolerance the G level at which you have significant light loss without doing a straining maneuver. relates to heart-to-eye distance body shape seat-back angle varies from person to person from day to day same for women and men 4 to 6 Gs for most people obviously different with or without an anti-G suit does not relate to physical training Relaxed G-Tolerance your relaxed G tolerance is increased by tilt-back seat lowers shortens heart-to-eye distance less than 1G improvement seen in F-16 anti-G suit onset delayed until after the Gs come on recent G exposure -- the “training effect” your relaxed G-tolerance is decreased by: fatigue alcohol dehydration illness medication layoff from G exposure [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
A.S Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 PART 3 Straining G-tolerance the highest G-level you can stand when doing your best straining maneuver but is hard to measure and study does relate to physical strength, and is improved by working out physical training improves your ability to repeatedly strain without wearing out Endurance G-tolerance the time you can keep straining against varying G levels until you are exhausted hard to measure, hence hard to use reliably in research improved by both aerobic and anaerobic training! Aerobic Training was once thought to decrease your relaxed G-tolerance; probably not true aerobic training actually improves your “staying power” by allowing rapid recovery from the straining avoid extreme training -- keep your resting heart rate above 45 So, Physical Training ... does not affect your relaxed G-tolerance does improve your strength and endurance G-tolerance pays off on long, difficult engagements, and on frequent flights Physical Training So, train the muscles you strain your goal is sustained, repeated straining with rapid recovery include aerobic training my personal view is that you are better served by understanding Gs, and doing what you have to effectively and efficiently Neck Strength neck pain is #1 cause of down time for high-G aviators movement under Gs helmet, mask, NVGs, etc. Great Benefits come with neck strength better control (don’t want to kiss your belly button!) less likely to be injured so, include neck strength training in your weight workout! Neck Pain/Injury leading cause of down time for high-G aviators associated with high rate of G onset (“snatching on the Gs”) non-pilot can’t anticipate G onset head movement under Gs additional head mounted equipment good neck strength training minimizes injury potential The “Det Effect” or, “Where’d my G-tolerance go?” Training Effect G-tolerance increases when you fly Gs Layoff Effect and drops off again when you don’t Training Effect relaxed G-tolerance will increase all by itself with frequent exposure to Gs it’s not flight time, but “G-time” can increase up to 2 Gs within a week say usual relaxed G-tolerance is 5; G-suit makes it 6. So training effect can push it up to 8! You don’t ever have to strain. You get used to not having to strain Engineering changes to improve G tolerance tilt back seat (30 deg tilt) gives < 1 G additional relaxed tolerance standard seat is 13 deg; this raises your head and lets you see out better anti-G suit always lags the G onset start your muscle strain before the Gs come on -- esp before high Gs gives a 1G increase in relaxed G-tolerance positive pressure breathing with chest jerkin and Eagle anti-G suit can sustain 8 Gs without straining! can keep talking and breathing throughout high Gs so increases your endurance too less straining better breathing high Gs still suck, though.... Navy Combat Edge Proper G suit fit ... G-suit helps you by doing some of the work strain first, then slack off after the G-suit fills fit should be snug, not tight too loose just takes longer to fill up while standing, should easily slip: two fingers down by the thigh and calf, and open hand down the front release G-suit when you need to (spring, fall) AGSM M-1 classic grunt L-1 glottis closed completely “Hook” maneuver I say it’s OK to use your own combination of leg strain/abdominal strain/hook maneuver as you need to. Do what you have to do, but no more understand what to do and why know and respect the traps! Hook maneuver 1. tighten all muscles before G onset “Get a Jump on the Gs!” above 6 2. deep breath, close glottis (say “hook”) 3. bear down and strain for 3 seconds strain harder for higher Gs; slack off at lower Gs 4. while maintaining continuous muscle strain, rapidly exchange full lung of air it’s hard to inhale under high Gs 5. work only as hard as you have to [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
59th_LeFty Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 So about the PRFs: N-001 and N-019 (would be good to know whichone of these is specifically modelled in LO, e.g. 019E has no speed-alt indication of target) works 3 submodes in search mode, PPS, ZPS, and Auto (only in OVT) which adjust PRF. All of these has it's advantages and disatvantages, everyone knows what I'm talking about. But when locked on to a target, in ATK mode these properties remains he same as they was in the previously used search mode. This is not supposed to be. For example in practice, this means that a closing target locked in PPS mode is much more sensible for a beam-maneouver, and the radar loose him. If I lock him up in auto mode, I've much better chances to keep tracking him even if he makes a 180°. IRL this is completely different, track mode uses different PRFs. AS, calm down, dude :) Poor ED can't even realise what you write, there's 2 another one immediately :D [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
Pilotasso Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Dont forget ECM blinking fixes. ;) TOP PRIORITY! .
GGTharos Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Ahh, I see what you mean Lefty! Good point. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Uhm. We're talking patch, not new product. If you want new functionality, you can -probably- forget about it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Willy p. Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 lights...blinking lights that I can see at 14k, on the wing tips and tail fin(s) 44th_Willy p. 187 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://44thvfw.org
plane00 Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Where's my helicopter? Can't I control Heli even downgraded version? and infantry units and more detailed map as mentioned previously, advanced groud AI unit things planned at first, please....
vadIL Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 lights...blinking lights that I can see at 14k, on the wing tips and tail fin(s) Same for me! In real life i can see anti colusion from realy far away!
59th_Reaper Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 1. AFM for all planes (especially MiG-29 and Su-27) 2. New sound engine (with real sounds - without bugs) 3. Dynamic weather (with mid- high-level clouds) 4. New maps (Georgia, etc.) 5. Corrected weapon caracteristics 6. Posibility of insert new planes/3D modells, skins (indefinitely), cockpits, airfields, runways, taxiways, and other objects 7. Realistic light conditions of night 8. New editor Two tails, two engines! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
HungaroJET Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 PLZ bring back the working (US)HARM missiles...like in 1.02 Atop the midnight tarmac, a metal beast awaits. To be flown below the radar, to bring the enemy his fate. HAVE A BANDIT DAY ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." - R. Buckminster Fuller (1895 - 1983), American Architect, Author, Designer, Inventor, and Futurist
59th_LeFty Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 1. AFM for all planes (especially MiG-29 and Su-27) 2. New sound engine (with real sounds - without bugs) 3. Dynamic weather (with mid- high-level clouds) 4. New maps (Georgia, etc.) 5. Corrected weapon caracteristics 6. Posibility of insert new planes/3D modells, skins (indefinitely), cockpits, airfields, runways, taxiways, and other objects 7. Realistic light conditions of night 8. New editor Always liked the daring ambitions of my good-old Base Commander :D [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
GGTharos Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Unfortunately, most of those will not happen. I guess people don't get it ... patches are there for corrections, not to implement new functionality. Ask for things you can actually get! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Colt40Five Posted October 19, 2007 Author Posted October 19, 2007 Forgot one.... LONGER BURN TIME FOR VEHICLE FIRES! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
59th_Reaper Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Unfortunately, most of those will not happen. I guess people don't get it ... patches are there for corrections, not to implement new functionality. Ask for things you can actually get! In my opinion, the ED poops for our requests, whatever that... Two tails, two engines! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Colt40Five Posted October 19, 2007 Author Posted October 19, 2007 Unfortunately, most of those will not happen. I guess people don't get it ... patches are there for corrections, not to implement new functionality. Ask for things you can actually get! I say ask for everything and let ED decide what to give us. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
D-Scythe Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 I say ask for everything and let ED decide what to give us. You want them to waste time separating the reasonable requests from the unreasonable ones? The little time they have? Keep in mind, a V1.13 patch might not even be released - this is all just discussion of a possible patch, as far as I'm concerned. If ED does start work on it, it would have to be squeezed in between all the other products they're doing - products that they are ACTUALLY making money from.
Colt40Five Posted October 19, 2007 Author Posted October 19, 2007 You want them to waste time separating the reasonable requests from the unreasonable ones? The little time they have? Keep in mind, a V1.13 patch might not even be released - this is all just discussion of a possible patch, as far as I'm concerned. If ED does start work on it, it would have to be squeezed in between all the other products they're doing - products that they are ACTUALLY making money from. I want them to show that they do actually give a crap about their fans. I know I am not the only one who feels that whether or not there is a 1.13 patch is a part of the decision process on whether or not to further support ED by buying DCS:BS. If all they are going to do is keep pushing new products when there are serious issues with their existing titles why should I believe they won't keep doing that forever? Say they release DCS:BS and it has some issues...instead of fixing them they just say "we are evaluating a patch for the known issues with DCS:BS until then enjoy DCS:A-10A" At some point they should decide that customer satisfaction issues don't go away as soon as they collect our money. The patch issue is even more important when you consider that it will be YEARS before we get another fast-mover sim (from ED anyway). It will go a long way towards fostering a better PR relationship with their fans if they leave LO/FC as "fixed' as they can make it with a final patch. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mechanist Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 You want them to waste time separating the reasonable requests from the unreasonable ones? The little time they have? Keep in mind, a V1.13 patch might not even be released - this is all just discussion of a possible patch, as far as I'm concerned. If ED does start work on it, it would have to be squeezed in between all the other products they're doing - products that they are ACTUALLY making money from. This thread is just a symphaty trick. They hold all the cards, they are in a monopole status in the sim industry, and this will hold a while because of the smallness of the market and lack of other products, that is the bottom line. We paid the FC and that was our purpose, everybody who have/had a business will agree on this with me... As it said before BUSINESS IS BUSINESS. Lock-On series is over, therefore, there is no more interest in it. DCS going to be the "work horse" so feed it not the ancestors. So the new this and new that wouldn't work. I'm sure they know it already what (if ever) they are going to fix... No offense to ED, this is capitalism, i agree with them, and for the community: just don't get your hopes up folks. "Fighters make movies, bombers make history."
Frostie Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 So we have a list as follows that is in need of fixing: 1.Fix the AMRAAM 2.Correct FM for ALL planes 3.ECM needs a bit of fixing 4.Fix the shaders for full shadows 5.Radar tweaks 6.Correct the payloads 4.Instead of dumbing down the AIM-120, dumb down the ETs instead 5.Make "print screen: optional" for multiplayer servers 6.IFF 7.Fully compatible and tested with Vista 8.fix full shadows and pixel shaders 9.fix see through of objects through clouds 10.ix the airbases taxi/parkin area missalignment so that when you go over you don't get broken wheel/tire on the Su-25T 11.fix DLL modules that cause CTD when you have overcast and high water 12.force payloads from server side (no LOPED payloads by individual) 13.When flying in NAV mode and switch to BVR the HSI to keep indicating bearing and distance to the selected WP 14.fix aspect ratio defaulting after a graphics change in game 15.AI that don't drop their ordanance when spiked by radar 16.Fix AWACS aka Motormouth All of these are the most serious issues regarding the sim. I dont think new technology is going to be implemented so I purposely left out a bunch of new issues. No we don't, you do. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Kuky Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 I just realised I should mention one more thing (after someone mentioned this bug in this thread before me): In russian aircraft when you turn on the radar and sellect TWS mode... the first time you scroll the TDS box over a contact it will automatically lock it (IFF doesn't matter). This will happen every time but only the first time you scroll the TDS over a contact on the radar. This has to be a bug that I think should be fixed also. No longer active in DCS...
RvEYoda Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Unfortunately, most of those will not happen. I guess people don't get it ... patches are there for corrections, not to implement new functionality. Ask for things you can actually get! I must agree with you here. Therefore I really like my own list ;) S = SPARSE(m,n) abbreviates SPARSE([],[],[],m,n,0). This generates the ultimate sparse matrix, an m-by-n all zero matrix. - Matlab help on 'sparse'
centermass Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Unfortunately, most of those will not happen. I guess people don't get it ... patches are there for corrections, not to implement new functionality. Ask for things you can actually get! The G model AS so excellently provided information for is in need of correction. I really hope it is fixed. One thing I'll add is that the more G you pull, over time throughout a career. The more G you can tolerate. Sooo, a fighter pilot is going to be able to sustain and endure more and higher G than a civilian. Since the game is not modeling civilian pilots I hope the devs take this into account. Regards, Centermass
GGTharos Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 The text AS provided seemed familiar to me, and I believe I've provided both that and more material in addition to this to ED. What they'll do with it, I don't know. But what I said had nothing to do with the G-model ... the 'fix' of which is essentially the adjustment of curve, AFAIK. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
A.S Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Well, informations like that are standarts.. source here http://nomi.med.navy.mil/index.htm direct download here (Powerpoint): http://nomi.med.navy.mil/NAMI/aeromedbriefs/GTIP.ppt I made this post just because of information purpose and inspiration and cuz Yoda was questioning it....he loves analyzing, reading, questioning understanding things....so i was motivatet to answer friendly ,) PS: stop wasting time with Skins etc etc ...go deeper.....learning is fun though ..sometimes ..PEACE:music_whistling::thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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