J11A - SD10?

[Skyron]

Is there any chance for getting an SD-10 on the Deka's J11A?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-11

 

It seems that it is legit.

[SeaFoam342]

I think the PL-12 (SD-10) will only be compatible with the J-11B

[Skyron]

I think the PL-12 (SD-10) will only be compatible with the J-11B

 

 

**Wiki**

 

J-11A – Chinese/Russian assembled Su-27SK from Russian-made kits. 104 were built. They were later upgraded with MAWS. Unconfirmed upgrades include improved cockpit displays, and fire control systems for R-77 or PL-10 missiles.[23] It is also called J-11.[24]

J-11B – Indigenously-produced version using Chinese technology,[23] and the first J-11 variant to use the WS-10A turbofan.[25] The airframe is slightly lighter due to greater use of composites.[26] It has new avionics, a glass cockpit, MAWS, and onboard oxygen generator system.[27] Upgrading to AESA radar may have been planned.[26] Photos of China's latest, very long range PL-15 missile on a J-11B may well indicate the undergoing upgrades of AESA radar to the aircraft.[28]

[DD_Fenrir]

The critical word there is "unconfirmed"...

[St. Agre]

The PL-10 isn't an SD-10, it's an IR missile. The PL-12 is what you're looking for.

[Keks]

Why would a chinese plane ever use an export missile? Just because it is the new hot shit in DCS?

 

You dont seem to know anything about the weapon systems you are talking about besides some people thinking it is op in pvp....

[Skyron]

Yes, i ment PL-12.

Keks, you dont seem to be very happy about bringing new toys in DCS.

Well im not a weapon systems expert like you, but SD-10, is not OP. Its preaty easy to avoid it.

120's were OP all these years.

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

We do have the PL-12 in the game currently and you can edit the lua to play with it on the J-11A

Though operationally it seems none of the type have used it, Uboats has said the missile has been trialed on the type but it would not exactly be kosher, then again when has that stopped anyone *cough*Walleye*Cough*

 

Link to thread

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=218618&page=4

[AeriaGloria]

Isn’t the Walleye trialed on the F/A-18C back from it’s introduction? They were used a lot in gulf war 1. As has been said the J-11B is the only one with indeginous missiles. The 100 or so J-11As are kits from Sukhoi, they probably need the indigenous avionics to integrate the weapons maybe even with Russia’s permission. Even the MFI-55 is Russian

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

There are many blocs and I guess it depends which one we get I rather not have it at all wouldn't fit the bill for capability of current J-11A/Su-27SK types in service

[FoxTrotAlpha691]

Is there a version of the J-11 IRL that is capable of firing the SD-10 or any of the other modern Chinese missiles and if so will Deka ever bring it to DCS? Also, I have seen posts that make mention of editing the J-11A's LUA file but I have yet to see anyone post exactly how to do this and actually I'd rather have an aircraft that is truly capable of firing the missile than to McGiver the LUA file and have it not work in MP.

[AeriaGloria]

J-11B carries Chinese weapons. But we have J-11A

[musolo]

Is there a version of the J-11 IRL that is capable of firing the SD-10 or any of the other modern Chinese missiles and if so will Deka ever bring it to DCS? Also, I have seen posts that make mention of editing the J-11A's LUA file but I have yet to see anyone post exactly how to do this and actually I'd rather have an aircraft that is truly capable of firing the missile than to McGiver the LUA file and have it not work in MP.

 

Deka wouldn`t make it under any conditions coz it would hurt JF17 sales.

They won`t make a low fidelity (LF) J11B for same reason.

Other beginner devs could do that though. I`d buy LF 3rd party J11B or J15 for the price of other low fidelity modules.it would be a fricken best seller)))

Any modern LF red bird with better missiles would be a best seller among LF modules.

And we all knoe that LF is the only way it is possible to release modern red jets.

[Chiron]

Deka wouldn`t make it under any conditions coz it would hurt JF17 sales.

They won`t make a low fidelity (LF) J11B for same reason.

Other beginner devs could do that though. I`d buy LF 3rd party J11B or J15 for the price of other low fidelity modules.it would be a fricken best seller)))

Any modern LF red bird with better missiles would be a best seller among LF modules.

And we all knoe that LF is the only way it is possible to release modern red jets.

 

i disagree to J-11B would hurt JF-17 sale cuz in the end DEKA will benefit from both i dont understand your point here sorry

 

about low fidelity modules is good i started with FC3 and i love it TBH but but if the solution of low fidelity modules is so easy then why they dont make it there is a lot of shiny Fighter across the whole world if they come with LF with a decent price everyone will buy it and it will be fast profitable way but the fact is in my opinion the target here in DCS is high fidelity not low one ... this is my opinion u can disagree or agree just saying my though loudly

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

Uboats has mentioned that it was trialed on a late J-11A

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3598661&postcount=57

Though, it wouldn't make for an authentic depiction of the J-11A's capabilities

 

 

A Su-30MKK would probably do the trick though...

Edited August 5, 2020 by TaxDollarsAtWork

[Bunny Clark]

Deka wouldn`t make it under any conditions coz it would hurt JF17 sales.

How would a low fidelity Soviet inspired fighter module hurt sales of a full fidelity F-16 inspired multi-role strike fighter module? That doesn't make sense.

 

The much bigger concern, I think, is what the Chinese government will allow them to get away with. Deka is in a similar situation with Chinese jets that ED is in with Russian jets I image, where the local government as a lot more power over what they can and can't do than a foreign one does. And both China and Russia aren't exactly known for being forthcoming with military technical details.

[Joe90]

Growling Sidewinder thinks we need one:

 

 

 

 

 

I have the JF-17 and would also buy a J11B

[Mike_Romeo]

Growling Sidewinder thinks we need one:

 

 

He doesnt say that we need anything. He just said he wish a more competetiv Flanker cuz its to easy to kill them and the migs in the current multiplayer enviroment.

[Joe90]

Hello Mike,

I admit he does say the words I have used and I don't want to put words in his mouth.

I am not asking for balance for the sake of balance but a balance that exists in the real world.

 

 

I think everyone agrees and more up to date Flanker/J11b or other RED side jet would make DCS a more competitive environment.

ATM its one sided.

[musolo]

There is IC clean server with Chinese modernized Flankers armed  with PL-12\SD-10 PL-8,PL-5. Everiithing else that fly there is buffed. F-14,15,16,18 

Search for " EXERCISE RED FLAG" in server list. No need for Mods. When you take a slot your jet will be rearmed by the server)

Edited February 25, 2021 by musolo

[Enigma89]

If you ever want to use SD-10s on the flanker the Red Storm Rising Dynamic Syria Campaign PVP Server has it coded onto all flankers including the J-11 for REDFOR. This evens up the Red vs Blue BVR fights.

[Harlikwin]

You can edit the weapons lua on the J11 to load SD10's. Turns the J11 into an A-A beast. Of course offline only as the Lua change doesn't pass IC.

[Top Jockey]

You can edit the weapons lua on the J11 to load SD10's. Turns the J11 into an A-A beast. Of course offline only as the Lua change doesn't pass IC.

 

It does !

 

Maybe it will be quickier to copy paste the 2 files from the mod below.

I've just installed the SD-10 air-to-air missile mod and let me tell you... this does give the J-11 another authority in BVR combat !

 

Eagle drivers beware.

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3312566/

 

Thank you @raz410 !

[musolo]

It is Possible to fly J-11B on our IC protected multiplayer server "Exercise Red Flag" All Flankers there armed with PL-12 missiles. And renamed to J-11B and J-15. No Mods needed!)

Just connect and get into the action.  

Download J-11B Aggressor Dark Skin with New Data Link

Watch the video about new Flankers and their upgrades: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vscuGyCMSvQ&t=2s

Join Red Flag Discord:https://discord.gg/dstgrnR

[musolo]

On 12/9/2019 at 10:41 AM, Skyron said:

Is there any chance for getting an SD-10 on the Deka's J11A?

Yes it is already a thing in IC protected MP server called "Exercise Red Flag" Soviet Flankers represent their Cinese versions and Armed with Chinese missiles. You don`t have to have any mods installed. Server issues them to your Flankers when you take the slot. 

You can download dark cockpit skins with upgraded Data Link like on first J-11B variants. 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=musolo&set_filter=Y