OH-58D Announcement

[Cab]

2 hours ago, ThorBrasil said:

The project actually began to be developed about 2 years ago.

The first announcement video came out Jan 2022 and it had already been in development long enough for Heatblur to say it would be released in the same year. So really closer to three years or more, I think. 

[MAXsenna]

The Kiowa will not be discounted at launch. The price will be full. $70. 

That's the point! No EA or preorder, so it hits full price at launch.

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[shagrat]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb ThorBrasil:

The Kiowa will not be discounted at launch. The price will be full. $70. 

Because it isn't in pre-order or early access... Feature complete ready to enjoy product = full price. 

Wait for the time the KW participates in its first sale, if you want a discount. 

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Cab:

The first announcement video came out Jan 2022 and it had already been in development long enough for Heatblur to say it would be released in the same year. So really closer to three years or more, I think. 

Actually it was announced by Belsimtek in July 2017 (close to 7 years ago). Then ED and Belsimtek merged and the F-4E was "on hold".

Then ED let Heatblur take over the project.

[Cab]

22 minutes ago, shagrat said:

Because it isn't in pre-order or early access... Feature complete ready to enjoy product = full price. 

Wait for the time the KW participates in its first sale, if you want a discount. 

Actually it was announced by Belsimtek in July 2017 (close to 7 years ago). Then ED and Belsimtek merged and the F-4E was "on hold".

Then ED let Heatblur take over the project.

Unless Heatblur used any of the code or artwork from Belsimtek, I don’t think it’s accurate to combine the two efforts. But I guess it depends on the point each person is trying to make. 

[shagrat]

vor 31 Minuten schrieb Cab:

Unless Heatblur used any of the code or artwork from Belsimtek, I don’t think it’s accurate to combine the two efforts. But I guess it depends on the point each person is trying to make. 

They took the whole project from ED/Belsimtek...

[cfrag]

14 hours ago, shagrat said:

EDIT The announcement by Belsimtek for the F-4E was in July 2014, so roughly 7 years ago. 

Can you run those numbers for me again, please? Silly me seems to come up with "roughly 10 years" instead of "roughly 7". What am I doing wrong?

Really looking forward to the Kiowa  

Edited June 3, 2024 by cfrag

[Cab]

13 minutes ago, shagrat said:

They took the whole project from ED/Belsimtek...

And re-used code and artwork? You know this?

[shagrat]

vor 29 Minuten schrieb Cab:

And re-used code and artwork? You know this?

From what I understood even they took over the complete project. I am sure they did redo the 3D-model to adjust for the new DCS features, but that's basically the same for all DCS modules, including the Polychop OH-58D...

The Heatblur F-4E Phantom II is now in Early Access, so it still has a discount.

The Polychop OH-58D will not be released as Early Access, so the whole comparison is apples and oranges...

[Cab]

6 minutes ago, shagrat said:

From what I understood even they took over the complete project. I am sure they did redo the 3D-model to adjust for the new DCS features, but that's basically the same for all DCS modules, including the Polychop OH-58D...

The Heatblur F-4E Phantom II is now in Early Access, so it still has a discount.

The Polychop OH-58D will not be released as Early Access, so the whole comparison is apples and oranges...

OK, but I’m gonna assume Heatblur started with their own code from scratch. So we can probably agree that the current F4 has been in development somewhere between three and seven years.

Edited June 3, 2024 by Cab

[ThorBrasil]

37 minutes ago, shagrat said:

From what I understood even they took over the complete project. I am sure they did redo the 3D-model to adjust for the new DCS features, but that's basically the same for all DCS modules, including the Polychop OH-58D...

The Heatblur F-4E Phantom II is now in Early Access, so it still has a discount.

The Polychop OH-58D will not be released as Early Access, so the whole comparison is apples and oranges...

Polychop said that the Kiowa will receive a better AI in the future to operate the weapons, so it would not be in a "complete" state, but rather in early access. And there is still the issue that @YoYo mentioned. The current AI, when active, makes the aircraft practically without physics. It practically turns it into an arcade aircraft. Until this is fixed. The aircraft should indeed be classified as early access.
 

 

[Alpiinoo]

The cockpit model looks quite low. Especially switches in overhead... Did anyone to notice this?

[ECTAE]

24 minutes ago, Alpiinoo said:

The cockpit model looks quite low. Especially switches in overhead... Did anyone to notice this?

Yep, seems a bit flat but with youtube/twitch compression involved...

In this video looks better tbh

 

[ThorBrasil]

44 minutes ago, Alpiinoo said:

The cockpit model looks quite low. Especially switches in overhead... Did anyone to notice this?

It's not just the cockpit. The exterior model is like that too. It all looks low-poly. It's inevitable to compare it to the Apache and even the Chinok.
 

 

[ECTAE]

ok, you guys might be right....

the thing is I don't know neither the texture quality in game set by ccs nor how does it looks in game. But I'll wait till some reviews. You guys are right, Apache looks way better, and Chinooks starting to grow on me

 

[shagrat]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb ThorBrasil:

Polychop said that the Kiowa will receive a better AI in the future to operate the weapons, so it would not be in a "complete" state, but rather in early access. And there is still the issue that @YoYo mentioned. The current AI, when active, makes the aircraft practically without physics. It practically turns it into an arcade aircraft. Until this is fixed. The aircraft should indeed be classified as early access.
 

 

It's feature complete for Release. It won't be bug free, and it may get additional features, later. That's called updates.

By your "very creative interpretation", the DCS A-10C and Ka-50, along with every other module would always be in Early Access, as they are still getting new features, better textures/3D- models and bugfixes.

Name any module, that wasn't updated after release? Even FC3 got multiple additions...

Edited June 3, 2024 by shagrat

[ThorBrasil]

20 minutes ago, shagrat said:

It's feature complete for Release. It won't be bug free, and it may get additional features, later. That's called updates.

By your "very creative interpretation", the DCS A-10C and Ka-50, along with every other module would always be in Early Access, as they are still getting new features, better textures/3D- models and bugfixes.

Name any module, that wasn't updated after release? Even FC3 got multiple additions...

 

in fact the A10C v2 and Ka50 v3 received major paid updates after launch. 

[shagrat]

vor 38 Minuten schrieb ThorBrasil:

in fact the A10C v2 and Ka50 v3 received major paid updates after launch. 

Plus multiple free ones... but, yep, they definitely are not "Early Access". Neither will the Kiowa. I understood Polychop's statement, as a release with all required features implemented in a playable state, no major bugs and what you would expect from a DCS module being "complete". After release, they will focus on bug fixing and looking into adding new features, if / as DCS World progresses.

Keep in mind, they already deliver way more, than originally announced. The APKWS didn't even exist in DCS back then, Multicrew in Multiplayer was added during development and stuff like L2MUM was a complete positive surprise.

Seeing the current flood of videos it definitely does look ready for a full release and not Early Access, with a bunch of features missing, systems still in development, etc.

[shagrat]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb cfrag:

Can you run those numbers for me again, please? Silly me seems to come up with "roughly 10 years" instead of "roughly 7". What am I doing wrong?

Really looking forward to the Kiowa  

 

Conservative estimation, on my side.

There was a period where it was "on hold" after the ED/Belsimtek merger.

I think it is fair to assume, there wasn't much development going on until Heatblur picked it up... though I don't know for sure.

EDIT ah! now I see! That's a typo. It should be 14. July 2017, not 2014.

I still said roughly, as there was an "on hold" period.

Edited June 3, 2024 by shagrat

[ThorBrasil]

12 minutes ago, shagrat said:

Plus multiple free ones... but, yep, they definitely are not "Early Access". Neither will the Kiowa. I understood Polychop's statement, as a release with all required features implemented in a playable state, no major bugs and what you would expect from a DCS module being "complete". After release, they will focus on bug fixing and looking into adding new features, if / as DCS World progresses.

Keep in mind, they already deliver way more, than originally announced. The APKWS didn't even exist in DCS back then, Multicrew in Multiplayer was added during development and stuff like L2MUM was a complete positive surprise.

Seeing the current flood of videos it definitely does look ready for a full release and not Early Access, with a bunch of features missing, systems still in development, etc.

The important thing is that I hope it's a great release and that it sells a lot. I hope they improve the textures and the 3D model (especially the external one) over time. 

[shagrat]

Gerade eben schrieb ThorBrasil:

The important thing is that I hope it's a great release and that it sells a lot. I hope they improve the textures and the 3D model (especially the external one) over time. 

I am not even concerned. I think Video compression, individual settings (especially from guys who mostly fly in VR) and maybe even test builds (Casmo mentioned in his last video) don't necessarily represent the final product on our individual systems.

Anyway I am looking 99% inside the  cockpit which looks pretty well done.

Fingers crossed, the release is close.

[YoYo]

Good news! Something incoming Tomorrow. 

Edited June 4, 2024 by YoYo

[macedk]

54 minutes ago, YoYo said:

Good news! Something incoming Tomorrow. 

 

It is just a eye color change 1 carrier crew

[71st_Mastiff]

12 hours ago, macedk said:

It is just a eye color change 1 carrier crew

wouldn't count my Kiowas yet, don't it have to be available for sale?

[Sabre_Ewan]

6 hours ago, 71st_Mastiff said:

wouldn't count my Kiowas yet, don't it have to be available for sale?

Not before it's released, no.

[71st_Mastiff]

34 minutes ago, Sabre_Ewan said:

Not before it's released, no.

So won’t buy then. No update no release. No release no update. 

Edited June 5, 2024 by 71st_Mastiff