Large aircraft in DCS

[Jester986]

In the discussion of Deka Ironworks 2020 update Uboats listed some of the aircraft they were considering for their next module. He said none were guuranteed but that the group would have an internal vote to decide which they wanted to pursue.

 

Among those possibilities listed was the Tu-16/H-6 and the Il-28./H-5. Either of these would be the first dedicated bomber in DCS and the largest player module. There have been many wishlists about the B-52, C-130, cargo planes, etc. This is our first realistic shot at something along those lines so I thought those of us who have wanted one of these aircraft might share our support for it with Deka.

 

The Tu-16/H-6 is much larger than the Il-28 and would be very useful for the Mariana Map being a strategic bomber that could devastate Guam and it can carry large antiship cruise missiles to attack the fleet so I would give it priority over the Il-28. But they could always run into a research roadblock so I'd be happy with the Il-28 as well.

 

So let's throw our support behind Deka and encourage them to bring a new experience to DCS!:pilotfly:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4185109&postcount=18

Edited January 24, 2020 by Jester986

[john9001]

Islands need supplied, cargo ships and planes.

[ngreenaway]

I prefer the h5 / il-28 because the number of operators who used it match several of our currently or in-progress maps, so it's widely useful.

 

Perhaps the same could be said for the tu-16/ h6, I dunno, because of my lack of interest in flying strategic aircraft , I didn't check who operated it.

 

Oftentimes what constitutes an interesting aircraft in real life doesn't necessarily translate into an interesting sim.

[Jester986]

Matter of opinion, I know not everyone would care for it. Fly for two hours just to take a Phoenix to the face. But I think it would be really interesting to add a new role to DCS. So far its either fighter or striker.

[Jonne]

Among those possibilities listed was the Tu-16/H-6 and the Il-28./H-5. Either of these would be the first dedicated bomber in DCS and the largest player module.

 

Sorry to be nitpicking, but the Il-28 is not that large. It has a 1.45m larger wingspan than the F-14, but is shorter and has a 12 tons (!) lower MTOW.

[Jester986]

Fair enough but it would be the first dedicated bomber in DCS. I'd much prefer the Tu-16 but just for the sake of a new role I'd be happy with the Il-28 also.

[Kev2go]

Fair enough but it would be the first dedicated bomber in DCS. I'd much prefer the Tu-16 but just for the sake of a new role I'd be happy with the Il-28 also.

 

 

Il28 will be great for early 50s circa Korean era scenarios, and although these bombers served for much longer they would have been hopelessly redundant by the 1960s going into present day. IE in an era of BOTH air to air and surface to missiles . No electronic warfare or countermeasures, and afaik no computer assisted bombing let alone standoff muntions.

 

Imo tu16 and tu160m would be more ideal Russian bomber for dcs environment, although on typical mp servers these too are still going to have a really bad day when facing a tomcat armed with aim54,s. No doubt great for very custom/ bomber caterers scenarios though. I do agree a dedicated bomber of some sort would be nice as all pilotable fixed wing aircraft that are in dcs are either fighters ( be it proper multirole or just fighter/interceptor) or attackers

Edited January 27, 2020 by Kev2go

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

If DCS wants to explore the cargo plane scene, I think its best to test the waters first with a (smaller) 2-engine model, such as the C-27.

There have indeed been a lot of wishlist posts about the C-130 etc, but at the moment DCS has no support of flyable aircraft with 4 engines and it would be quite risky (and possibly wasteful of valuable resources) to go down that route without being absolutely sure first there is enough interest for it: as always it will come down to number of sold copies vs development costs.

[Bob_Bushman]

Or a C-2 Greyhound would fit rather nicely for those who enjoys the Supercarrier.

[Worrazen]

I heard Cap said he's losing viewers over B-52 being an old model with old damage effects ::music_whistling:

 

But ... we're getting there

[Jester986]

I'd like a C-2 or C-27 but the point of the post is we have a realistic chance of the Tu-16 because Deka said its one aircraft under consideration for their next module. I was hoping to build some support for the idea among people who have wanted a C-130, B-52, or the like since its in the ball park and were probably not going to see anything similar any time soon.

[Baaz]

Tu-16, if Deka makes it, I'll buy it; along with any other strategic aircraft they so desire.

 

C-2 would be great too.

 

Sometimes I just want to take a relaxing flight between point A and B, and just enjoy the scenery.

[Baco]

the greyhound would be a dream. and you could make an AWACS moduel fairely easy. too.

[john9001]

C-123, two engine prop transport.

[FlankerKiller]

If DCS wants to explore the cargo plane scene, I think its best to test the waters first with a (smaller) 2-engine model, such as the C-27.

There have indeed been a lot of wishlist posts about the C-130 etc, but at the moment DCS has no support of flyable aircraft with 4 engines and it would be quite risky (and possibly wasteful of valuable resources) to go down that route without being absolutely sure first there is enough interest for it: as always it will come down to number of sold copies vs development costs.

+1 for the C-27. When the Army was going to get them, they were operating from the ramp behind my shop. I got to go out and look them over, and talk shop with there maintenance guys any time I wanted to. Gotta watch what I say here as they were pretty modified for the modern battle filed. But they would not be a total sitting duck, as they had “pretty decent” SDS suits. These things can land on a dime, and are basically designed to do low altitudes penetration of defended airspace. I think planning a route through known Enemy SAM defenses, and flying that route at night, with NVGs, 100 feet off the deck doing 250 knots IAS sounds pretty fun. Then landing on some short field unprepared strip to resupply a FOB, and return would be some sim flying I would for sure be interested in. Would be particularly great if DCS has a dynamic campaign with a strategy game style logistics engine. So delivering thous bullets, and that fuel would be a victory in itself.

[FlankerKiller]

If DCS wants to explore the cargo plane scene, I think its best to test the waters first with a (smaller) 2-engine model, such as the C-27.

There have indeed been a lot of wishlist posts about the C-130 etc, but at the moment DCS has no support of flyable aircraft with 4 engines and it would be quite risky (and possibly wasteful of valuable resources) to go down that route without being absolutely sure first there is enough interest for it: as always it will come down to number of sold copies vs development costs.

+1 for the C-27. When the Army was going to get them, they were operating from the ramp behind my shop. I got to go out and look them over, and talk shop with there maintenance guys any time I wanted to. Gotta watch what I say here as they were pretty modified for the modern battle filed. But they would not be a total sitting duck, as they had “pretty decent” SDS suits. These things can land on a dime, and are basically designed to do low altitudes penetration of defended airspace. I think planning a route through known Enemy SAM defenses, and flying that route at night, with NVGs, 100 feet off the deck doing 250 knots IAS sounds pretty fun. Then landing on some short field unprepared strip to resupply a FOB, and return would be some sim flying I would for sure be interested in. Would be particularly great if DCS has a dynamic campaign with a strategy game style logistics engine. So delivering thous bullets, and that fuel would be a victory in itself.

[alexkon3]

C-130, B-52, B-1, TU-95 whatever gimme them big girls.

[TLTeo]

 

 

The C-27 would definitely be fun to fly. Plus it also comes with a gunship version, so it would please those that have been asking for an AC-130.

[Jester986]

Ok, this is ridiculous. Sorry but I have to vent my frustration here. The point of this thread wasn't name the big aircraft you want. It's we could possibly get a specific big aircraft from Deka so why don't we rally around that one instead of voting for a dozen different ones. But never mind we'll probably get a Q-5 instead which will still be cool but not bring about a large aircraft in DCS.

[FlankerKiller]

Ok, this is ridiculous. Sorry but I have to vent my frustration here. The point of this thread wasn't name the big aircraft you want. It's we could possibly get a specific big aircraft from Deka so why don't we rally around that one instead of voting for a dozen different ones. But never mind we'll probably get a Q-5 instead which will still be cool but not bring about a large aircraft in DCS.

Well you labeled the thread “large aircraft in DCS”, so people are talking about what large aircraft would fit, and the roles they could fulfill. If you only wanted to talk about one aircraft, may I suggest that you be more specific in your naming of the thread. Deka is going to do what there going to do, and I as well as many others will buy it day one. But again you opened the floor for “large aircraft” so maybe join in, and talk about why bombers in general would be cool, and why the ones Deka is looking at would be a good fit for DCS, or close the thread and name it properly.

[Jester986]

I don't think the thread's name is inappropriate when I was trying to aggregate the various supporters of B-52's, C-130's, C-2s, E-3's, KC-135's, etc around a single plane that a developer has expressed interest in developing. We are not going to get each of those anytime soon. Razbam has expressed interest in doing a C-130 along with every other plane developed since WWII and they have a list about 10 years deep. Deka said they would have an internal vote to decide which of the modules they listed they would choose to make next, so why not try to put our thumbs on that scale and influence the outcome by showing it has many people interested in it? And I did express why I thought it would be a good fit in my original post. Whatever though. I thought it was a good idea, obviously not. I guess I just wanted to complain about my wishlist going off topic.

[FlankerKiller]

Fair enough, and for the record I agree with the original post, mostly. I would buy a medium bomber, hell I would but a heavy bomber, but I expect that the play will get boring/ frustrating quickly. Well unless wether and Atmospherics get a massive upgrade, they kinda are. I mean yes it would be fun trying to wrestle the big bird down on the deck to avoid a Sam site, or hide from interceptors. And I love the idea of early Cold War bombers. Although admittedly it’s not really the same without nukes. But the birds Deka are looking at are very nich. I’ll buy whichever one because the JF-17 is a beast. But there is clearly a desire for intra theater cargo aircraft. And fitting in with what we have the C-27 would be a pretty cool Choice. Having seen them very up close I can say with certainty that they would be a great DCS aircraft. So yeah I’m glad Deka is doing what there doing, but I don’t really care which they choose, although I would rather an early Cold War jet bomber. Something for Mig-15s to escort, something to hunt in my Saber. But there are other “heavies” and other developers.

[Jester986]

I know there's a large portion of the DCS population that wouldn't be interested in long flights without much to do but there is cross over with the xplane crowd who simulate real time flights across the atlantic. Plus it would be a good red weapon against the blue fleet with its massive antiship cruise missiles. It sucks there wont be a mainland china airbase in Marianas but otherwise it would be great for that map. If we ever get a cargo plane though C-2 or C-27 would both be a good place to start. i lean C-2 with the focus on naval ops. Il-28 would be nice for the mig-15 and sabres. I'd have alot of fun with that one too but I just see the bigger plane with potential to act as a tanker as more interesting and relevant to what we have going on in DCS.

[msalama]

the Tu-16/H-6 and the Il-28/H-5

 

Would buy either in a bloody microsecond. No EA though, complete modules only.

[Jester986]

Did you get the JF-17? I have confidence in Heatblur and Deka EA. Other devs... Not so much.