Aircraft before the 1993 tech explosion for DCS

[WinterH]

49 minutes ago, twistking said:

Now i wonder what other singleseat aircraft are there similar to the F1M in having no FBW but updated avionics to make them somewhat capable in a modern-ish battlespace.

To be fair, F1M is relatively modest when it comes to these sorts of modernizations on older aircraft. There are quite a lot like it, but imo it is more interesting to count more in depth modernizations.

In Mirage F1's case, that would be MF2000 ASTRAC upgrade for Moroccan Air Force. It gets modern avionics, I think either RDI or even RDY radar, potent new weapons like MICA, Damocles targeting pod etc.

A-4 had a few like that too: A-4AR Fightinghawk, A-4KU Kahu, A-4S. F-5 also got F-5EM, F-5S, F-5 Tiger III. For F-4 there are F-4EJ-Kai, F-4 ICE, F-4AUP, F-4E Kurnass 2000, F-4E Terminator 2020. MiG-21: MiG-21Bison, MiG-21LanceR-A and LanceR-C. Mirage III and V got the ROSE program for Pakistani Airforce. For Kfirs there is the Block 60, and I think there may be a similar one for Cheetah too.

These are the ones I know of anyway. Today most of these are on their legs of course  and the rest are already retired.

[upyr1]

11 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

Yeah, but in most cases in this thread, the goal probably is more along the lines of historical recreation, or at least inspired by historical events, or are otherwise supposed to be set at a certain point in time, but not necessarily historically accurate (such as say, Red Storm Rising like scenarios).

 

IMHO more realistic scenarios as well as what ifs are welcomed. The key though is adding depth. 

[draconus]

On 7/25/2022 at 9:03 PM, twistking said:

What else is out there? (single seat, no FBW, updated/modernized to a 90s standard roughly)

You know, technically, F-14 and F-15 are both 70s designs, and are not FBW either

[twistking]

4 hours ago, draconus said:

You know, technically, F-14 and F-15 are both 70s designs, and are not FBW either

You are right, but F-14 isn't singleseat (for DCS i think this is more of a disadvantage) and the F-15 doesn not count, because it still somehow flies like a FBW if the DCS flight model is to be believed (i think it's fascinating, but i'd still prefer a plane with more character...).

Mirage III/V ROSE is very interesting. Need to find out more...

[draconus]

4 hours ago, twistking said:

You are right, but F-14 isn't singleseat (for DCS i think this is more of a disadvantage) and the F-15 doesn not count, because it still somehow flies like a FBW if the DCS flight model is to be believed (i think it's fascinating, but i'd still prefer a plane with more character...).

Ouch, forgot the single seat part, I had fighters in mind. No, F-14 being two seat is not disadvantage at all. Late Tomcats got DFCS eventually and Eagles flew almost like FBW with their CAS from the start but were still hydro-mechabical. I think  I know what you mean - you want that full stick and rudder control to tame the beast by yourself

[Ikaros]

6 hours ago, twistking said:

 and the F-15 doesn not count, because it still somehow flies like a FBW if the DCS flight model is to be believed (i think it's fascinating, but i'd still prefer a plane with more character...).

The F-15 uses a dual flight control system that's part hydraulic and part fly by wire.

You can read about it more here if you want to: http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f15_2.html

[bies]

On 7/28/2022 at 1:04 AM, Ikaros said:

The F-15 uses a dual flight control system that's part hydraulic and part fly by wire.

You can read about it more here if you want to: http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_fighters/f15_2.html

True, F-15 augumented flight control was significantly more advanced than classic hydraulic systems of its era with most basic dumping. Still every pilot i've heard flying F-15 and full computer FBW jets like F-16 or F/1A-18 confirm F-15 was very capable in BFM, but required way more skill to be flown well compared to FBW jets.