JG13Wulf Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Hello, Lot of people including me are surprised that the wake turbulence are that important behind warbirds. As I didn't see lot of information about this recently (maybe I missed it), I don't know if this feature of DCS is finished or not ? But For now flying behind a P51 or a Bf 109 is like flying behind a C130. It feel like it's a bit too important for those little planes. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Hello, Lot of people including me are surprised that the wake turbulence are that important behind warbirds. As I didn't see lot of information about this recently (maybe I missed it), I don't know if this feature of DCS is finished or not ? But For now flying behind a P51 or a Bf 109 is like flying behind a C130. It feel like it's a bit too important for those little planes. Thanks You don't want to fly behind c130 in warbird believe me. :) System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 It is what it is. It's easy even flying into your own wake turbulence, just make a correct coordinated turn keeping altitude, and you'll see. IRL it's the very same, wake turbulence is a dangerous thing you want to avoid specially when it's from any bigger aircraft than yours or a helicopter. But any wake turbulence can be a problem. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted February 13, 2020 ED Team Share Posted February 13, 2020 Hello, Lot of people including me are surprised that the wake turbulence are that important behind warbirds. As I didn't see lot of information about this recently (maybe I missed it), I don't know if this feature of DCS is finished or not ? But For now flying behind a P51 or a Bf 109 is like flying behind a C130. It feel like it's a bit too important for those little planes. Thanks This video shows the main dependances of the wake turbulence. 2 Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 When on online aerobatic server wake was enabled i always was plaing with wake turbalance. Often passing under unaware pilot and pulling high g just before his nose heh :P System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 When on online aerobatic server wake was enabled i always was plaing with wake turbalance. Often passing under unaware pilot and pulling high g just before his nose heh :PThis stuff is why they turned it back off I hear wake turbulence isn't quite accurate in some areas though, such as on the ground, making planes move while stationary Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 This stuff is why they turned it back off I hear wake turbulence isn't quite accurate in some areas though, such as on the ground, making planes move while stationary They turned it off because fps issues ;) System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG13Wulf Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 It is what it is. It's easy even flying into your own wake turbulence, just make a correct coordinated turn keeping altitude, and you'll see. IRL it's the very same, wake turbulence is a dangerous thing you want to avoid specially when it's from any bigger aircraft than yours or a helicopter. But any wake turbulence can be a problem. S! Yes Wake turbulences are dangerous. I don't mean it isn't. But I'm surprised it's so important. Last time, we took off with two Fw 190A8 with 250kg bombs. By "accident" the other plane past in front of me just after we left the ground. My Fw 190 almost get upside down in a second. I understand that big plane are dangerous for little plane. But that was weird to me that a Fw 190A could do that to another one. This video shows the main dependances of the wake turbulence. Thanks, I see it before. It's quite nice. But What I'm asking is not about how they work. It's more about how powerfull those are for warbirds. I'm just surprised that we get so big effect from plane that have almost the same size. I'm just wondering if it's normal or something that still need work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingme Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Yes Wake turbulences are dangerous. I don't mean it isn't. But I'm surprised it's so important. Last time, we took off with two Fw 190A8 with 250kg bombs. By "accident" the other plane past in front of me just after we left the ground. My Fw 190 almost get upside down in a second. I understand that big plane are dangerous for little plane. But that was weird to me that a Fw 190A could do that to another one. Thanks, I see it before. It's quite nice. But What I'm asking is not about how they work. It's more about how powerfull those are for warbirds. I'm just surprised that we get so big effect from plane that have almost the same size. I'm just wondering if it's normal or something that still need work.It's overdone for such small airframes. Probably ED is still fine tuning them, hopefully.. Sent from my Redmi 5 using Tapatalk Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 They turned it off because fps issues ;)No, they turned it off also because douches were doing exactly what you did. With it on, you don't make passes over the runway (and apparently ramp and taxiway as it would throw aircraft) while people are taking off, and you don't pass in front of others, especially a formation. People on discord were reporting idiots doing this with it on, and it's the biggest reason why they turned it off. You cant ban 1/2 the AO playerbase without shooting yourself in the foot Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
122sqn Bruv Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I agree with wulf it is extreme for WW2 warbirds for my tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted February 13, 2020 ED Team Share Posted February 13, 2020 It's overdone for such small airframes. Probably ED is still fine tuning them, hopefully.. Sent from my Redmi 5 using Tapatalk Negative. The wake turbulence is a thing that is based mostly on conservation laws, so the laws for it is quite obvious. 1 Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingme Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Negative. The wake turbulence is a thing that is based mostly on conservation laws, so the laws for it is quite obvious. But it surely depends on several factors like wingspan, speed, weight, atmospheric conditions, etc. I highly doubt that is correctly calculated in DCS. Sent from my Redmi 5 using Tapatalk Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted February 13, 2020 ED Team Share Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) But it surely depends on several factors like wingspan, speed, weight, atmospheric conditions, etc. I highly doubt that is correctly calculated in DCS. Sent from my Redmi 5 using Tapatalk Of course this parameters are involved but the point is that all these parameters are parts of the conservation law. And, to be correct, not weight but lift. And, of course, they all are correctly calculated. Edited February 13, 2020 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG13Wulf Posted February 13, 2020 Author Share Posted February 13, 2020 Of course this parameters are involved but the point is that all these parameters are parts of the conservation law. And, to be correct, not weight but lift. And, of course, they all are correctly calculated. If you are sure. I'm surprised but I'm for realism :pilotfly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 If you are sure. I'm surprised but I'm for realism :pilotfly: Did you watch the video Yo-Yo linked? Even G load is taken into account Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 And, of course, they all are correctly calculated. Remember, if you want to convince someone, show him a bit more other than saying "of course it's correct". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I agree with wulf it is extreme for WW2 warbirds for my tastes. Because we are all have flow warbirds and we know that wake turbulence is over done. System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Zach Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Remember, if you want to convince someone, show him a bit more other than saying "of course it's correct".I would like to see some more in-depth discussion on it, actually. Maybe if not to prove a point, to show how some of the math and theory is present (or perhaps not present) in DCS Hardware: T-50 Mongoose, VKB STECS, Saitek 3 Throttle Quadrant, Homemade 32-function Leo Bodnar Button Box, MFG Crosswind Pedals Oculus Rift S System Specs: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS, RTX 3090, Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 32GB DDR4-3200, Samsung 860 EVO, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB Modules: AH-64D, Ka-50, Mi-8MTV2, F-16C, F-15E, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-5E, P-51D, Spitfire Mk LF Mk. IXc, Bf-109K-4, Fw-190A-8 Maps: Normandy, Nevada, Persian Gulf, Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD_Fenrir Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Oh good, the "I feel" brigade back again with how it can't possibly be correct cos their instincts - which we should all bow down to and hold in esteem over any mathematical data and carefully calculated models provided by experts in aerodynamic simulations - tell them so. Fred Akary would disagree with your instincts: And there is speculative but credible reasoning to believe that Mark Hannah's tragically fatal accident in a Buchon in Spain was possibly caused by encountering the lingering wake turbulence from his own run and break pass whilst turning on final to land. Neither of these point to wake turbulence from WW2 fighter a/c being insignificant; you wanna contest the quantitive factor of this argument then you better start hitting your aerodynamics text books & have a calculator handy. Oh, hang on a mo! That's exactly what Yo-Yo has done! A professional software aerodynamist! Your credentials and contradictory data....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG13Wulf Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 Did you watch the video Yo-Yo linked? Even G load is taken into account Yes I saw it when it was release. Again, I wasn't talking about how they work but how powerfull they are for so little planes. :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG13Wulf Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 Oh good, the "I feel" brigade back again with how it can't possibly be correct cos their instincts - which we should all bow down to and hold in esteem over any mathematical data and carefully calculated models provided by experts in aerodynamic simulations - tell them so. Fred Akary would disagree with your instincts: And there is speculative but credible reasoning to believe that Mark Hannah's tragically fatal accident in a Buchon in Spain was possibly caused by encountering the lingering wake turbulence from his own run and break pass whilst turning on final to land. Neither of these point to wake turbulence from WW2 fighter a/c being insignificant; you wanna contest the quantitive factor of this argument then you better start hitting your aerodynamics text books & have a calculator handy. Oh, hang on a mo! That's exactly what Yo-Yo has done! A professional software aerodynamist! Your credentials and contradictory data....? Remember that not only DCS dev make study :music_whistling: And surprised don't mean disagree :smartass: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I tested war birds today and i will say that wake turbulence feels weak for me. System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I tested war birds today and i will say that wake turbulence feels weak for me. Well great. Now if you could tell us the scenario and all those details, that would be much more helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 (edited) Well great. Now if you could tell us the scenario and all those details, that would be much more helpful. I was taking off just after pair of p-51 i didn't encounter prop wash and i didn't encounter wake barely need to do anything then usual, when i lift off, i felt it like small dip in the road. What i heard is that short interval take offs in prop planes was almost impossible to those factors. And i was maybe 2-3 length of plane behind. Edited February 14, 2020 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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