cool_t Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Hi, As of recent days some Pilots have not been complying to a call out on ECM IFF "Checks" Some of the pilots are well seasoned and you should know better!!!!!!!!! 1. When some one calls in for a "ECM IFF" YOU ALL NEED TO REPLY, On or off!!!!!!!!! 2. FRIENDLY KILLS HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THIS! 3. I will be logging with my digital camera on NON-COMPLIANCE ECM IFF pilots that do not respond to my "ECM IFF CHECK-CALL IN" so if you end up getting killed its your fault. (which will be sent to server admins-or posted on LOMAC sites!) 4. I am not going to wait until 12nm where the ECM strobe is over taken by the F-15c radar. 5. This has happend way-mega-trillion times where friendly kills happen then people throw it back in your face "Rouge-120-?" or the best saying "Noob" 6. Also crashing your Jets befor my 120s' kill you is just beyond the worst tactics seen in this game and or leaving the server when I enter "eeehhhhheemmmm". If your gona get hit, oh well, just start over! Enjoy the new Rath of cool_t !!!!! :sorcerer: 2
Frostie Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 I don't think shooting on unidentified jammers makes good sense if your unsure don't shoot its pretty simple really. Unless all your after is getting as big a score as your manhood will allow. And what is wrong with getting closer than 15nm to the bandit at least you might get some fun out of it, fun out of a game that would be strange. As far as chat goes, if somebody like "Vick";) asks for 'jammers off' then if the situation aint too hazardrous then I will happily comply for his obvious benefit. But if im in the middle of an engagement the last thing on my mind is getting into a typed chinwag with someone about whatever he deems as justifiable rules. What im saying is 'T' if your expecting an answer on chat at your every whim, don't, if you shoot me down then thats down to you, I won't lose any sleep over it. :thumbup: 3 "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Peyoteros Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 I don't think shooting on unidentified jammers makes good sense if your unsure don't shoot its pretty simple really. :thumbup: Well, I heard people saying opposite: -, If not sure, empty the clip... :smilewink: "Eagle Dynamics" - simulating human madness since 1991 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ۞ ۞
Excelsior Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 I am in complete agreement with Frost1e here. If you are in doubt of a contact then you don't fire upon it, it's that simple. "No matter where you go, there you are" Intel E-8400 "Wolfdale" - Asus Maximus Formula - Swiftech H2O 120 4 Gb G.Skill PC2-8000C5 - EVGA 8800 GTS 512 - Dell 2707WFP WD Caviar 500Gb - Vista 64
mibsk Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 there's AK47 in my hands ... I see fuzzy person in a distance ... Is it a bandit or my Ma ? ;-))) Heeey Maaa ... Is that youuuu ? ... hmmm ... no reply ... she doesn't hear me ? or is it a bandit ? ... I'll shoot ... just in case ... My opinion is ... don't shoot if you're not sure ... 1
Kuky Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 you're really funny sometimes Cool_t... are you too scared to get close to burn through range and you just feel safe to maddog a pair of 120's and turning tail and hoping for a kill? :) you shoot at someone you don't even know if it's FOF... and you kill a friendly... bad for you mate :D Edit: by the way, are you aware sometimes chat messages don't show up... happened to me million times, so if you type something and no one replies it may as well be they simply don't see it. 2 PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
nscode Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Yeah... we have the luxury that all planes have IFF, and that it's always operable, yet that isn't enough. Just imagine having to visually identify. And that happens IRL. IFF gets broken, comms fail.. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
A.S Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 If you fire at a target that has ECM on and it turns out to be a friendly. You only have yourself to blame. Period. Deal with it. Kinda agree on that... reason is, you just cant fire and kill all the time ....there are descission to make... clearing the picture first ....being sure about what you are engaging....and if not possible...well, having the guts to turn away...... Same for suddenly poping up tallies crossing nose close.....take time if you are already at that advantaged possition ...you have it... or ask you self...why this happend..that someone crosses your nose so suddenly ...how you brought yourself in that furball ..... Itґs not always about getting the most kills.....its not scroehunting...its not showoff in numbers....no thats not a good pilot.... a good pilot is that one ....who finishes his mission coming back alive !!!! I know it is diffucult to switch mind to this unless its a sim but few actually force themself to fly disciplined ...and i tell ya ..it s even more fun overall at the end. And it forces to get things right !!! 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
S77th-konkussion Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Maybe some of you mad-dogging "lone wolf" types would have less to whine about if you GOT ON FRICKIN COMMS and possibly obtained a CLUE about the tactical situation at hand. Radical idea, I know. "red/ blue jammers off " (or cycle- if you can't) "Locked jammer at 090"- Blue/ red?" "Hey RTB pilot___ you forgot to shut off your jammers" "buddy lock" I don't know about you- but I can say any of these things in >3 seconds. Most couldn't type this out in less than 10 IF they could even let go of their controls. Most servers have their own comms channel. If you are not in a squad with a TS/ Ven Join that one. 1 [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
TorwaK Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 you're really funny sometimes Cool_t... are you too scared to get close to burn through range and you just feel safe to maddog a pair of 120's and turning tail and hoping for a kill? :) you shoot at someone you don't even know if it's FOF... and you kill a friendly... bad for you mate :D Coolt prefer to bore sight to make bulldog. The reason why friendly planes run to waste. IMHO, ECM is flimsy pretext :smartass: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel Core i7-6700K, @5GHz | Asus Maximus Hero VIII | 2 x eVGA GTX 970 SLI | Kingston Predator 16GB DDR4-3000Mhz | 2 x Samsung 850 PRO 240GB RAID-0 | AOC G2460PG G-SYNC LCD | OCULUS RIFT CV1 VR | THRUSTMASTER HOTAS WARTHOG | CH PRO PEDALS
PoleCat Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 I have to agree with the consensus here cool_t. If your not sure you don't fire. If you do and you kill a friendly it is your fault and your mistake. Don't you have a high enough kill count already man? You hot dog you. ;) Out 1 http://www.104thphoenix.com/
GGTharos Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 ^^^^ I disagree ... you see, when I see a 29 on the RWR spiking me and I've got a jammer in that direction, I'll assume it isn't friendly. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that - at some point it's the jammer's responsibility to apply due dilligence as /well/. Further, that jammer might be on the bearing of a legitimate target and if so ... why is he masking that target? It's not so clear cut. Jammers need to be used carefully, rather than making up rethoric about waiting until burn-through. That's valid in some cases, but by far, not anywhere near all of them. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Peyoteros Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 well, like yesterday for example, all I saw was tracers coming from behind, they hit my plane, so I assumed I'm under attack by some sneaky bastard, so I did some high G and got the guy in my HUD, locked and send away few R73, and it was the guy from my side. Had no time to ID him, just defended my self, I saw it was Su27, but I know that an enemy side has Su27 too... so who is to blame? "Eagle Dynamics" - simulating human madness since 1991 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] ۞ ۞
TorwaK Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 You hot dog you. ;) ROFL :megalol: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel Core i7-6700K, @5GHz | Asus Maximus Hero VIII | 2 x eVGA GTX 970 SLI | Kingston Predator 16GB DDR4-3000Mhz | 2 x Samsung 850 PRO 240GB RAID-0 | AOC G2460PG G-SYNC LCD | OCULUS RIFT CV1 VR | THRUSTMASTER HOTAS WARTHOG | CH PRO PEDALS
flask Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 IMO Asking someone to acknowlege a call to turn off/on is ok, but you might not only be the only person in the guys sphere, or he may be too busy to answer or may not realise it is himself you are talking to, so firing on the guy is in that case is not recomended,( unless you yourself are locked),but I understand the frustration you feel at people who fly on the server and wont or cannot follow basic understanding/s,of "FAIRPLAY", I myself curse and bitch at aircraft who take off from taxiways, do they listen? some do some dont, till there is a admin on the server willing to enforce the "Fairplay" there will always be this kind of trouble, If you ask me to turn off? .....yes I would, so maybe those who look at your post will take heed and try to be a "Fairplay" flyer from now on.:thumbup:
Mustang Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 And what is wrong with getting closer than 15nm to the bandit at least you might get some fun out of it, fun out of a game that would be strange. Hmmm wait for burnthrough to get a launch overrided ET in the face as the 29 runs away? no thanks :D
PoleCat Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 ^^^^ I disagree ... you see, when I see a 29 on the RWR spiking me and I've got a jammer in that direction, I'll assume it isn't friendly. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that - at some point it's the jammer's responsibility to apply due dilligence as /well/. Further, that jammer might be on the bearing of a legitimate target and if so ... why is he masking that target? It's not so clear cut. Jammers need to be used carefully, rather than making up rethoric about waiting until burn-through. That's valid in some cases, but by far, not anywhere near all of them. You can call it valid but I say not man. There are missions with RU birds on both sides and then of course this theory breaks down. You take the chance, you kill the friendly then you take the negative score and you should apologize. The only variance I see if it is F-15/A-10 v all RU (easy)or if the jammer has locked and shot at you it is obviously either a complete noob (friendly) or a likely enemy. Only there do I see grey area. Caution is the better part of valor IMHO. I fear shooting a friendly down to the point where I do everyting I can to avoid it and I think that is the way it should be within the confines of this sim. The alternative is chaos and far too many friendly kills. Obviously there is NO WAY you are going to get all the pilots to respond to IFF ECM calls or use their ECM responsibly always. Just no way. Out http://www.104thphoenix.com/
GGTharos Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 ^^^^ Again I disagree ... if someone doesn't go through the effort of helping me to ID them (an specifically, they make an effort to make me think they're a bandit - ie. jamming, locking me up, and aproaching from the wrong direction) I'll take the negative score, but I won't apologize. It's not /my/ fault - I did my due dilligence. Period :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Real pilots that fail to ID might get shot down too. If they eject and survive they porbably be court martialed and discharged of duty, not the guy who fired against him. Because the later complied with procedures while the first did not. .
nscode Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 That depends on what the procedure is. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
GGTharos Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 I like 'shoot first, ask questions later' but I don't really adhere to it :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Pilotasso Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 It hapened, in GW2 where a tornado was flying with transponder off in a no fly corridor and it was promptly shot down. .
GGTharos Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 I do believe I have the FOIA'd debrief/court martial/hearing documents concerning that somewhere on my HDD in fact. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
PoleCat Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 Are we talking about RL or Lockon here? Correct me if i am wrong but there is a big difference right? You are expecting to always get the correct response from ECM IFF calls in LockOn through chat/TS or you will fire regardless? Good luck with that. Don't see the sense in it mysef. I do not understand why anyone would even want to take the chance. To each his/her own I guess. Out http://www.104thphoenix.com/
UWBuRn Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 3. I will be logging with my digital camera on NON-COMPLIANCE ECM IFF pilots that do not respond to my "ECM IFF CHECK-CALL IN" so if you end up getting killed its your fault. (which will be sent to server admins-or posted on LOMAC sites!) No, it's YOUR fault shooting at unknown target. Personally i prefer to be shot down than risk a team kill. Beside this, collaboration is a good thing but you can't expect this all times: people may have good reason to keep the ecm on or maybe they are too busy dealing with some threat to open the chat and respond you.
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