Admiral189 Posted June 26, 2022 Author Share Posted June 26, 2022 Hey ElvisDaKang, It's the model Tugboat I released some time ago. It's also the one Razbam released as well. I think you can see where I'm going with this. 13: USNS Patuxent & Harbor Tugboats: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n930h2lt5te4vr7/USNS Patuxent_Harbor Tugboats.zip?dl=0 -- 4.4.2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 That definitely made me do a double take as well. Did you both purchase the same model or some other strangeness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 You can adapt ED and CrazyEddies liveries to match with Admiral189 mod, I did it and works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyeddie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I was aware it was the same model when I did my skins. I actually started those ages ago for Admirals model but never got around to finishing them. They got lost in the queue somewhere !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its nice to have more civilian type workboats in the dockyard, so bring them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, crazyeddie said: I was aware it was the same model when I did my skins. I actually started those ages ago for Admirals model but never got around to finishing them. They got lost in the queue somewhere !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its nice to have more civilian type workboats in the dockyard, so bring them on. Can I share here what I did with your skins ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyeddie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Morpheus - Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Thanks !! Just copy/paste in "Liveries" folder of the Admiral189's mod, I just rename black and red with" _SA" (South Atlantic) to make difference with those included in mod wich had same name. Here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_smaVjwd4hqG2DU3eHz8WnkopSDSEXzs/view?usp=sharing Edited June 27, 2022 by Morpheus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 And what is the good size for this boat ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmarques Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Hah that reminds me of Little Toot Feeling old now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyeddie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Which one is which Morpheus ? In reality these are quite small workboats, as small as a harbour launch. I would say this is a pretty good comparison compared to a Type 45 - this is the Razbam Boat. (I say Razbam reservedly - I'm not really sure who put this is the game recently) Keeping in mind the Type 45's are quite large boats, almost cruiser size. Edited June 27, 2022 by crazyeddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toan Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Hi All, thanks for your very nice liveries, and thanks to Admiral for his super Harbor Tugboat Indeed, I noticed that the original size was much too big for these very little (although very powerful) small boats So I think the correct size is the small one, definitely But how can we choose the correct size in DCS ? And to include it with the ME ? Edited June 27, 2022 by toan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Oh yes sorry, the small one is Razbam tug boat, I think it is a little too small (make a test with crew), may Admiral's one is too big but I think it is more ralistic (living near harbor) Screen with Razbam tug boat And comparison between crew mod and airboss by ED to be sure for man size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 It's better when the crew can be in the wheelhouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral189 Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 Hey Guys, I normally try to track down the original size of the Tugboats and ships and scale them to size in 3ds max so they're near the original dimensions of the vessel. Tugboats come in all sizes but it's the horsepower and Ballard pull that determines its worth. The U.S. Navy tugboats were 2,000 HP but I have seen Tugboats HP as high as 10,000 HP. I have more coming! As mentioned before I'm always working on something!! Noted Morpheus!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toan Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) The small ones are really nice, and perfect for medium ships and small harbors manouvers Below is a size comparison between the D650 Aquitaine frigate, which is 140 meters long, and the Navy Tugboat and the Harbor Tugboat, all of which are Admiral's superb Mods It seems to me that the Harbor Tugboat is almost twice too big, isn't it ? This would make both Tugboats approx. the same size of 44 meters. Assuming the wheelhouse is 2 meters high, the length of the Harbor tugboat on the left should approx. be 15 to 20 meters long, i.e., twice smaller Thanks Admiral Edited June 27, 2022 by toan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 48 minutes ago, Admiral189 said: Hey Guys, I normally try to track down the original size of the Tugboats and ships and scale them to size in 3ds max so they're near the original dimensions of the vessel. Tugboats come in all sizes but it's the horsepower and Ballard pull that determines its worth. The U.S. Navy tugboats were 2,000 HP but I have seen Tugboats HP as high as 10,000 HP. I have more coming! As mentioned before I'm always working on something!! Noted Morpheus!! I think your tugboat is more near reality than the Razbam one wich seems too small compared to human size as I test it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyeddie Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I agree the Razbam model is a tad undersized when you see the image with the guy stood on the deck, perhaps another 1/8 to 1/4 would about do it, but I doubt they will change it now. Admiral Navy Tugboat seems to be the right size compared to Aquitaine, the Harbour Tug is clearly far too big. The best test is do what Morpheus did, stick a guy next to hatch on the deck, that is the only way to be sure about scale really. Like what your doing with those Admiral, nice boats. Get the size right and they will be fantastic. PS: If its any consolation Hawkeye and I have the same problems with various boats we have done in the past, its a nightmare getting them right sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElvisDaKang Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Thanks for the vector Admiral !! Elvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 hours ago, toan said: The small ones are really nice, and perfect for medium ships and small harbors manouvers Below is a size comparison between the D650 Aquitaine frigate, which is 140 meters long, and the Navy Tugboat and the Harbor Tugboat, all of which are Admiral's superb Mods It seems to me that the Harbor Tugboat is almost twice too big, isn't it ? This would make both Tugboats approx. the same size of 44 meters. Assuming the wheelhouse is 2 meters high, the length of the Harbor tugboat on the left should approx. be 15 to 20 meters long, i.e., twice smaller Thanks Admiral Are you sure Aquitaine has the good size ? Because If Razbam tug boat is too small I don't think the Admiral's one is twice too big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toan Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 (edited) Well, so far the Aquitaine size is consistent with all the other ships Mods I use, and I have a lot, including all Admiral ones, except for the USS Bainbridge which seems a bit small. But I guess only Admiral can really answer the question. Also, Admiral used to serve on the Navy tugboat he modded, so he can certify its size, and compare it to the Harbor one. And how does Razbam tugboat size compare to Admiral's ? I don't have Razbam's. Edited June 27, 2022 by toan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, toan said: Well, so far the Aquitaine size is consistent with all the other ships Mods I use, and I have a lot, including all Admiral ones, except for the USS Bainbridge which seems a bit small. But I guess only Admiral can really answer the question. Also, Admiral used to serve on the Navy tugboat he modded, so he can certify its size, and compare it to the Harbor one. And how does Razbam tugboat size compare to Admiral's ? I don't have Razbam's. Razbam one is part of free asset pack for all with South Atlantic map, you have it without buying this map (I don't have it). This pack is in last Openbeta. Celui de Razbam fait partie de l'asset pack gratuit de la carte Atlantique Sud, on l'a même si on n'a pas acheté la map, c'est mon cas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toan Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) Hi Morpheus, OK thanks, I didn't update to the last Openbeta, yet Below is a simple comparison of the length of the HMS Duncan and Aquitaine Mods (152 and 142 meters long, respectively). They seem correct and consistent with all other Mods, including Admiral's Navy tugboat So, the size of the Harbor tugboat might indeed be the problem Besides, below is a photo of the Abeille Normandie high seas tugboat, which has just been commissionned to operate in the Channel. It's 91 x 22 meters large, and 25.000 HP powered. Huge tugboat indeed. Edited June 28, 2022 by toan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oban Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, toan said: Hi Morpheus, OK thanks, I didn't update to the last Openbeta, yet Below is a simple comparison of the length of the HMS Duncan and Aquitaine Mods (152 and 142 meters long, respectively). They seem correct and consistent with all other Mods, including Admiral's Navy tugboat So, the size of the Harbor tugboat might indeed be the problem Besides, below is a photo of the Abeille Normandie high seas tugboat, which has just been commissionned to operate in the Channel. It's 91 x 22 meters large, and 25.000 HP powered. Huge tugboat indeed. Just put the ships down in the editor, use the ruler tool to measure out their length, and you'll have your answers in feet.. cross reference the date in wiki, or whatever you use, and you'll see if the scaling is spot on, too small/too large AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX with Radeon Graphics 3.00 GHz 32 GB RAM 2 TB SSD RTX 4070 8GB Windows 11 64 bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toan Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) Hi Oban, you're right, but I don't have the references for the real tugboats, and there are hundreds of them operating out there.... Below is the Navy tugboat comparison with the Aquitaine and HMS Duncan Mods, and its OK Edited June 28, 2022 by toan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 All this to say FOR ME Admiral's tugboat seems to be more realistic than Razbam one and I'll continue to use it that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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