announced DCS MiG-29A

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[SOLIDKREATE]

I can't wait to see how a fully fidelity MiG-29S goes against an F-14B. I know we can do it now but the fight will be much different having to actually click the buttons and switches. I'm hoping for a release at least by Christmas or next Summer.

[AeriaGloria]

3 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

I can't wait to see how a fully fidelity MiG-29S goes against an F-14B. I know we can do it now but the fight will be much different having to actually click the buttons and switches. I'm hoping for a release at least by Christmas or next Summer.

Sadly they are only making 9.12A, which correlates to MiG-29A model. I would love to have the ECM and fuel of 9.13 along with radar upgrade and R-77 of “S” upgrade package, but it seems they don’t want to do it. 
Sad because, I think there is enough info to do its Gardeniya jammer to the same fidelity we have for the new F-16/18 break lock jammers. “Backward engineering” the switchology shouldn’t be too hard. We know the change in HUD symbology and radar range increase. 
 

I think the ECM/low production numbers gets in the way ( I think only a little more then a dozen were produced for Russia from the factory with the S upgrade), as well as being able to sell as separate module or upgrade 

Also, S upgrade was applied to 9.12 also. In which case you get no jammer and extra fuel, but increase radar range 14% and R-77 with TWS2. 
 

So what I would really love, is what if one day they make a separate upgrade package for 9.13S, or even make just regular 9.13 or 9.12S. They could sell it as a 5 variant pack. 
 

How many years In the future would this be? I don’t want to think about it 

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[Weta43]

Sadly I think there's a good chance that with the export "A" E.D. might have generated a self fulfilling prophesy 

Over the years they've consistently said that they don't think a Full DCS version of a Russian aircraft would sell as well as a Blue module.

I think in the end the first modern Red aircraft they do - a downgraded 'nerfed' version of an early airframe - might not be the best test of whether or not a full fidelity Russian aircraft would sell.

To my mind they would probably have been better off starting with the Su-25 (or Su-25T) - the former because it's everywhere & so no longer 'secret', and has been upgraded in service with the RuAF well beyond the version we have in game, and doesn't have to compete against more modern aircraft (except helicopters and the A-10), & the later because there were so few of them made the Russian Govt can hardly say they're letting the cat out of the bag about the capabilities of an aircraft that they might have to field against someone (I don't know who - let's say NATO for a hypothetical example).

The Su-25T is the nearest thing to a fixed wing Ka-50 we could get in that sense. Capable, real, but almost non-existent

[draconus]

2 hours ago, Weta43 said:

downgraded 'nerfed' version of an early airframe

You've mistaken 9.12A (exported for Warsaw Pact countries, same capabilities as Soviet version) for the B (nerfed, exported outside the WP). ED is doing A.

[Volator]

Also, you have to judge every aircraft/module in its historical context. For the mid-eighties to mid-nineties the MiG-29 9.12 is a quite capable aircraft.

[F-2]

3 hours ago, Weta43 said:

Sadly I think there's a good chance that with the export "A" E.D. might have generated a self fulfilling prophesy 

Over the years they've consistently said that they don't think a Full DCS version of a Russian aircraft would sell as well as a Blue module.

I think in the end the first modern Red aircraft they do - a downgraded 'nerfed' version of an early airframe - might not be the best test of whether or not a full fidelity Russian aircraft would sell.

To my mind they would probably have been better off starting with the Su-25 (or Su-25T) - the former because it's everywhere & so no longer 'secret', and has been upgraded in service with the RuAF well beyond the version we have in game, and doesn't have to compete against more modern aircraft (except helicopters and the A-10), & the later because there were so few of them made the Russian Govt can hardly say they're letting the cat out of the bag about the capabilities of an aircraft that they might have to field against someone (I don't know who - let's say NATO for a hypothetical example).

The Su-25T is the nearest thing to a fixed wing Ka-50 we could get in that sense. Capable, real, but almost non-existent

I have the Yemeni SMT radar manual. RWR HUD and air frame are the same. If only we had the mfd stuff lol

[lmp]

7 hours ago, Weta43 said:

Over the years they've consistently said that they don't think a Full DCS version of a Russian aircraft would sell as well as a Blue module.

They said that based on existing Eastern and Western modules. Consider the MiG-15bis, F-86F, UH-1H and Mi-8MTV2. Two pairs of aircraft very similar in terms of capabilities and "iconicness". We don't have the sales numbers but we do have ED's statements and we do have forum numbers to judge which one garnered more interest. It's always the Western one. By a lot. Capabilities didn't matter. What matters is most of the audience is Western based and cares about Western aircraft and Western side of the story.

There is a section of the player base which cares whether the aircraft will be capable on the dogfight server but it's a small minority (based on ED statements the great majority of players doesn't even play MP). There's nothing wrong with wanting that but it's not a factor for most customers.

One thing that might hurt the sales is the limited multirole capability, but that's just not something the Soviets did much. And the MiG-29 is still a much more multirole platform than a Su-25.

On the other hand, the 9.12A has a lot of advantages for players more interested in historical or quasi historical scenarios rather than being at the top of the server leaderboard. We're getting a Germany map. And the 9.12A isn't too different from the 9.12 and 9.12B, so it'll fit great on the Caucasus map, the PG map, the Syria map, the Iraq map... Even the Nevada map can be used to host a realistic scenario. A modern, Russian variant, like the SMT, wouldn't be that versatile.

[F-2]

3 minutes ago, lmp said:

A modern, Russian variant, like the SMT, wouldn't be that versatile.

From what I have the most significant change the SMT adds is the Kh-31A. Beyond that it’s pretty similar, though still a useful capability.

[Volator]

17 minutes ago, lmp said:

interested in historical or quasi historical scenarios rather than being at the top of the server leaderboard.

This. And one thing is certain: There will not be a current, modern Russian or Chinese fighter in DCS. It has been said by ED and others time and time again. End of story. Which is why we need a focus on Cold War modules to allow for more RedFor from that era. There, people still can fly the era's superfighter from both sides to be leader of the scoreboard, and history buffs have time-period correct scenarios with realistic modules. 

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1 hour ago, Volator said:

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MiG-29 9.12A East German Air Force

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MiG-29 9.12A East German Air Force

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[Flаnker]

В 27.07.2024 в 17:38, F-2 сказал:

From what I have the most significant change the SMT adds is the Kh-31A. Beyond that it’s pretty similar, though still a useful capability.

Are you talking about Russian SMT?

[F-2]

7 minutes ago, Flаnker said:

Are you talking about Russian SMT?

Yemen, I don’t know about Russian SMT, I assume though they could if they wanted to.

[Mainstay]

On 7/27/2024 at 4:55 PM, Volator said:

This. And one thing is certain: There will not be a current, modern Russian or Chinese fighter in DCS. It has been said by ED and others time and time again. End of story. Which is why we need a focus on Cold War modules to allow for more RedFor from that era. There, people still can fly the era's superfighter from both sides to be leader of the scoreboard, and history buffs have time-period correct scenarios with realistic modules. 

And that’s the exact reason ED should make an MiG-23MLD as well

[Dragon1-1]

On 7/27/2024 at 4:55 PM, Volator said:

This. And one thing is certain: There will not be a current, modern Russian or Chinese fighter in DCS. 

TBH, if we take "modern" as "mid-2000s", like DCS does, then Su-27S would pretty much be as close as it gets, and it's been mentioned as a "maybe". Also remember that in that time period, neither Russia nor China had anything that could match US fighters, except very limited numbers of Su-27SM. MiG-29K was made in Russia and then sold to India (sadly, they're no more open to sharing their data than Russia is). Even in 2012, only half of Russia's Su-27 fleet had been modernized. Any peer opponents for the US aircraft that we have are all very new, at least by military aircraft standards. 

I'll be happy if they manage to make Su-27S and Su-33 (same avionics, just with a few carrier-oriented features). While not quite as flexible as, say, a Viper or a Hornet, they're on a similar level when it comes to air combat, and they're not bad bomb trucks, either.

[Dragon1-1]

The 9.41 that India got was developed from 9.31 prototypes, though. Russians restarted the program because India was buying a carrier from them, and they wanted planes to go with it. The Indian version was produced from 2005, and it was a Russian aircraft, just not used by actual Russian air force. And yes, the modern MiG-29KR is a different beast, newer than anything we have in DCS.

[Pavlin_33]

13 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

...Also remember that in that time period, neither Russia nor China had anything that could match US fighters, except very limited numbers of Su-27SM.

So MiG-31s could not match US planes?

Did I understand that correctly?

[Dragon1-1]

MiG-31 is a 1980s aircraft that ceased production in 1994. So no, aside from the radar it did not match US planes in technology.