CBenson89 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I understand how to slew the TGP and do point and area tracks. How do I find a target of opportunity and say I want to do a CCRP attack on that target? I can do a point track on it but I don’t know how how designate it for the aircraft. Thank you! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I may be wrong, but until we can make Mark Points and Cursor Zero the TGP to that point, we’re limited to only GBU drops on targets of opportunity found via the TGP. Right now, the CZ Point stays at the steerpoint that’s active. You could put the LAT/LON displayed on the TGP in as a steerpoint though and make that your active steerpoint and then CZ to that. I Think... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 How do I designate a CCRP target using the TGP post update So if I’m carrying CBU-97s and I want to CCRP release them on a target I cant unlesss I put the grid of that target into a steerpoint? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeck Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Can’t you just hit the TDC depress (or equivalent). Whatever you would press jf you were dropping an LGB? Sorry....been about 5 months since I’ve flown it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 There isn’t a tdc depress. You used to be able to hit TMS up and it would initiate a track and give you drop parameters for a CCRP attack now it just initiated a track. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Can’t you just hit the TDC depress (or equivalent). Whatever you would press jf you were dropping an LGB? Sorry....been about 5 months since I’ve flown it No because just going into Point Track with the TGP doesn’t create a system target. Example: Say you have a steerpoint 30 miles ahead of you and you go into CCRP, everything is keyed to that point. The TGP goes there, you have a target box in your HUD, etc. Now say you put the TGP in Snowplow and you find a target that’s only 15 miles ahead. You can put the TGP on it in Point Track but the ordinance delivery system will still be referencing the target that’s 30 miles ahead. Now in the A-10, you could make a mark point and use that mark point as SPI but you can’t do that in the Viper, yet. You’d have to make a new steerpoint using the LAT/LON displayed on the TGP (new feature with this latest update) and make that steerpoint active to get the delivery system cued on that new target. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 In the A10 you can find a target of opportunity hook it make it a sensor point of interest and attack it without having to pre program it. It just sucks now that I can’t use the targeting pod to tartlet something and attack it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 No because just going into Point Track with the TGP doesn’t create a system target. Yes, it does or it should. The F-16 automatically manages SPI based on if a sensor is SOI and is tracking (e.g. providing a valid location). You don't even have to be in point/area. Take for example CCRP using FCR GM, HUD, and TGP as your sensors. First you have FCR SOI and move FCR cursors. The other sensors are slaved to this SPI which means TGP will be commanded to break track and slaved to this SPI. HUD is also slaved (no such thing as HUD commanded to break track anyway). Then you can designate FCR on some water tower for FTT. If you move SOI say to HUD the FTT will break track and both FCR and TGP will be slaved to SPI movements by HUD slewing. Similarly if FCR is FTT and SOI changes to TGP then FCR is commanded to break track and slaved to SPI. If TGP is tracking and SOI switches away then TGP is commanded to break track and be slaved to SPI LOS according to the SPI-generating sensor. There are only two kinds of sensors in F-16, the one generating SPI and all others commanded to break track and be slaved to SPI. Having several sensors pointing several directions all tracking independent locations like the A-10 isn't what the F-16 does. It's called the "F-16 single LOS concept". There's a slight detail in that TGP SOI and tracking the TGP is commanded to break track immediately when SOI is moved away (say to FCR) but it will be if the FCR is slewed or commanded to track. In this way you can SOI FCR and back to SOI TGP without losing TGP track provided that's all you do. In short if TGP is point tracked on a tank then it is SPI and eeeeverything is pointed along that LOS: radar, HUD TD box, everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 It doesn’t work that way any more in the open beta since the update. It used to do that but doesn’t any more thats why it’s frustrating. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBackJack Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 I tested snowplow out some and it works fine for me. CCRP release data (SPI) correlates to the TGP when I exit snowplow wih a tms up or right. My only issue is that the SPI reverts back to the selected steerpoint when you change master modes. IE switching to mrm override mode to scan the area causes the spi to revert to the steerpoint when you exit mrm override and go back to ground master mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 I can’t get it to work most of the time. I just dont understand how the TGP worked so well before and now we’ve got this mess of a system. Is there going to be a fix in the future that reverts the TGP back to being able to quickly designate system targets or is this the best it’s gonna be? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmy Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I’m not a fan of not being able to leave the TGP where it is by going to area mode. In my mind it should work like INS Mode on the Hog and just stay pointed roughly where it’s pointed but apparently it doesn’t. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.476vfightergroup.com/content.php High Quality Aviation Photography For Personal Enjoyment And Editorial Use. www.crosswindimages.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 I’m the hog you can hook a target make it SPI and CCRP attack it. In the hornet you can TDC designate a target and CCRP attack it. You can do something comparable in the harrier. I just don’t know why they took the ability to do it in the viper without a work around. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scubamurph Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I found that if I do not have any waypoints I cannot create a SPI for CCRP. You need to make sure you have a couple of waypoints (didn't try with one only) before you can snowplough and slew the TGP and have the CCRP target box follow it. Snowplough is supposed to be the way we reset the SPI to a point ahead of the aircraft. Hit SP then slew the TGP as you would in prior updates (may need to TMS up/right to get it to slew). I did have an instance where this still did not work if the steerpoint was behind me. I cycled steerpoints until there was one ahead of me then I could designate manually again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) Apparently I do not understand what the issue is... I can point the TGP to any target, initiate a point or area track and drop the bombs in CCRP. What is the problem? It does seem you require at least one waypoint. I've just confirmed what Scubamurph suggested <sniped by Scubamurph> I did have one waypoint... waaaay in the distance. Edited August 23, 2020 by chaos "It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Chaos are you playing on the open beta or the stable version? These changes aren’t in the stable release yet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Chaos are you playing on the open beta or the stable version? These changes aren’t in the stable release yet. Ah! Yes, I'm on the OB... "It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 I guess what I’m saying is That you can’t randomly skew around find a target it designate it a system target and then ccrp attack it without making the new target a steerpoint. You used to be able to look at anything at all TMS up short and get parameters to drop ordinance on it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavagai Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 In the future you will be to add steerpoints where you need them with the JHMCS. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 It would be nice if they'd update the manual the same time they do an update. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjacobsen Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I found that if I do not have any waypoints I cannot create a SPI for CCRP. You need to make sure you have a couple of waypoints (didn't try with one only) before you can snowplough and slew the TGP and have the CCRP target box follow it. Snowplough is supposed to be the way we reset the SPI to a point ahead of the aircraft. Hit SP then slew the TGP as you would in prior updates (may need to TMS up/right to get it to slew). I did have an instance where this still did not work if the steerpoint was behind me. I cycled steerpoints until there was one ahead of me then I could designate manually again. Yeah right now it seems that the active steerpoint has to be within the HUD FOV for the HUD TD box to move when the TGP is SOI and is slewed. I cannot believe that this is the way it worl IRL. i7-10700K 3.8-5.1Ghz, 32GB RAM, RTX 4070 12GB, 1 x 1 TB SSD, 2 x 2TB SSD2 TB, 1 x 2 TBHDD 7200 RPM, Win10 Home 64bit, Meta Quest 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted August 24, 2020 ED Team Share Posted August 24, 2020 I guess what I’m saying is That you can’t randomly skew around find a target it designate it a system target and then ccrp attack it without making the new target a steerpoint. You used to be able to look at anything at all TMS up short and get parameters to drop ordinance on it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Once we have DTOS mode it may help DTOS places a designation cursor on the HUD that the player can slew over a target and designate for attack. Thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 Thank you so much! I love DCS and the Viper you guys are doing a great job!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLTeo Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Once we have DTOS mode it may help DTOS places a designation cursor on the HUD that the player can slew over a target and designate for attack. Thanks So as long as DTOS isn't in, we're stuck with the current system of only being able to bomb steerpoints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mia389 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 The basic system we had I liked better. Maybe not realistic but more functional until the other features come available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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