Still alive ?

[Shrike88]

So now with Decoy gone, and this last large update was a nothing burger is the AV-8B still being worked on ? Or have we shelved completing this for starting on a module for MSFS ?

 

just curious. approaching 3 years now and still way behind the hornet and we are missing on the module.

[Flagrum]

So now with Decoy gone, and this last large update was a nothing burger is the AV-8B still being worked on ? Or have we shelved completing this for starting on a module for MSFS ?

 

just curious. approaching 3 years now and still way behind the hornet and we are missing on the module.

Check the public bug tracker - seems that there is not much left to do for the Harrier ......

[some1]

Their bugtracker is empty because no one is putting the bugs reported on these forums.

They skipped a lot of issues.

[LastRifleRound]

Their discord is pretty active, they're posting stuff they're working on and interacting with people there so yeah, stuff is getting done

[viper2097]

My personal oppinion:

Forget the Harrier and everything else from Razbam.

The quality is far away from the standard other DCS modules have and i don't expect that they'll ever reach a higher quality or even get finished (or close too).

 

The only thing where Razbam is strong, is in announcing new modules and posting on Facebook.

We have now the end of August, take a look at the changelogs for 2020 and you'll see the truth.

Edited August 25, 2020 by viper2097

[tea_cypher]

Yes its alive, yes it is being worked on, yes new bugs are being added to the tracker.

[some1]

Yes its alive, yes it is being worked on, yes new bugs are being added to the tracker.

 

So where's this:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=280854

and this:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=232106

and this:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=256371

and this:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=256372

and this:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=228192

and this:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=243812

and this:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=243813

and this:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=282104

 

According to Razbam bugtracker AV-8B has ONE confirmed bug, and couple feature requests. This is beyond silly.

[OPEC]

I tweeted Ron yesterday that there is a big need for for an roadmap update, since they are working on like 100000 things and not finishing anything. No reply so far.

 

If they need someone to take care of their communication with this forum here, i will be happy to do so (as i also stated in my tweet) simply because i think that working with this forum here is so much more important than posting pretty pictures all over the place.

 

I really like their modules, I like the stuff they have lined up, but they need to step up the communication game big time.

 

 

The Bug thing is just another things that needs to be adressed. As i said - I will be more than happy to assist here.

Edited August 25, 2020 by OPEC

[Winterz]

My personal oppinion:

Forget the Harrier and everything else from Razbam.

The quality is far away from the standard other DCS modules have and i don't expect that they'll ever reach a higher quality or even get finished (or close too).

 

The only thing where Razbam is strong, is in announcing new modules and posting on Facebook.

We have now the end of August, take a look at the changelogs for 2020 and you'll see the truth.

 

 

this

[tea_cypher]

I will review the list you attached in detail over the next couple of days, although at quick glance, I know I experiance one you mention, but am so used to i just work around without thinking so didnt see it as a bug. (Tpod not always lock somthing)

 

TDC slew is a tricky one, I do not suffer problems but will test again.

 

They are making improvements, yes not as fast as anyone would like, but for example on there bug tracker harrier flying with wing missing was added, and fixed under testing over the weekend, mgrs has also been added as a new feature. Little steps but better then no steps.

[Flagrum]

I will review the list you attached in detail over the next couple of days, (...)

 

 

Thanks for that!

 

The splitting of the Bugs forum into "Problems and Bugs" and "Resolved Bugs" several months ago resulted in a huge mess. Many unresolved and even not acknowledged bug reports were dumped into "Resolved" and never made their way into the public bug tracker.

 

Then bkthunder pulled off the enormous feat of collecting and organizing these bugs and provided the community with their own bugtracker: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=269108

 

Please use this as your starting point. And if you require help, support or really anything from the community, just say so. I am pretty sure that here are still Harrier fans here around that are willing to help. All it needs is some ... communication. ;)

Edited August 25, 2020 by Flagrum

[ddwg72]

Thanks for that!

 

The splitting of the Bugs forum into "Problems and Bugs" and "Resolved Bugs" several months ago resulted in a huge mess. Many unresolved and even not acknowledged bug reports were dumped into "Resolved" and never made their way into the public bug tracker.

 

Then bkthunder pulled off the enormous feat of collecting and organizing these bugs and provided the community with their own bugtracker: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=269108

 

Please use this as your starting point. And if you require help, support or really anything from the community, just say so. I am pretty sure that here are still Harrier fans here around that are willing to help. All it needs is some ... communication. ;)

 

 

Many of the bugs are issues with a persons install, not actual bugs, already been resolved, issues with ED and not the harrier, ect. Sure there are bugs listed trying to dig out useful information would be a waste of time.

[Flagrum]

Many of the bugs are issues with a persons install, not actual bugs, already been resolved, issues with ED and not the harrier, ect. Sure there are bugs listed trying to dig out useful information would be a waste of time.

It's a structured collection of issues that were reported. If they are actual bugs, fixed bugs or "[CORRECT AS IS]" remains to be evaluated. For that, an organized list is in any case far better than just scattered forum posts in different sub-sections, many of them burried many pages deep in the forum's past.

[ruxtmp]

At this point the module is best used as AI, static object, or maybe in the simple mode. RAZBAM indicated during a podcast that the module is, or maybe was a learning tool for their team with no clear timeline to finish if ever. I would think that they will be quickly sticking their fingers in the lucrative new commercial and private plane simulator that features the whole world as a 150GB download. That is where the money is going to be for the next few years so I am not expecting anything from this team anytime soon.

[mr_mojo97]

Razbam have been producing aircraft for MSFS for years and years so there's no reason why they'd not do any for MSFS 2020. Problem with MSFS takpak is the systems modelling is low quality (although I've not used it in years), which is why they probably like DCS.

[rrohde]

At this point the module is best used as AI, static object, or maybe in the simple mode. RAZBAM indicated during a podcast that the module is, or maybe was a learning tool for their team with no clear timeline to finish if ever. I would think that they will be quickly sticking their fingers in the lucrative new commercial and private plane simulator that features the whole world as a 150GB download. That is where the money is going to be for the next few years so I am not expecting anything from this team anytime soon.

 

You have a point. DCS is also a lot more complex than said simulation, so it's the lower hanging fruit for sure for some 3rd party devs to disappear to...

[notproplayer3]

And of course no answer from razbam, I know they watch the Ed forums since they sometimes answer, but you really gotta force them too, I once wrote a similar message on another razbam thread and magically a razbam staff member answered as if god listened to my prayers. Jokes aside it isn't professional not hearing from them after many and many threads of complaints, makes it feel as if we are dealing with dead products sometimes.

Edited August 25, 2020 by notproplayer3

[Fri13]

TDC slew is a tricky one, I do not suffer problems but will test again.

 

My CH Pro Throttle 8-bit hat has no problems slewing TPOD or DMT. But my VKB MCG PRO 14-bit hats has severe problems and needs to be set as buttons if wanted to use.

 

Lately I have had similar problem with other module too like Hornet radar TDC if I remember correctly, what is pointing to a DCS core problem how a Input is computed for the output.

I have not tested to change the MCG axis to 8-bit resolution if that would fix the problem.

 

There is as well odd bug that TPOD and DMT jumps around to new designations just suddenly when overfly the target. Similar has happened to new Hornet A-G radar in EXP3 mode where suddenly radar is scanning various other locations than the designated area where it should be ground stabilized. Again might be something to do with DCS core.

 

And then there is the third major one that is how TPOD TDC/HTC control jumps randomly to DMT and TPOD gets reseted or STNB mode activated.

 

All these are bugs that makes Harrier not nice to fly even for any basic manner as even CCIP mode is bugged for accuracy.

Edited August 25, 2020 by Fri13

[Fri13]

So now with Decoy gone,

 

Gone? Where? What?

[Fri13]

Check the public bug tracker - seems that there is not much left to do for the Harrier ......

 

Check the Harrier NATOPS and fly the module, ALOT is to be done. I would estimate that 20-30% of the systems are not implemented or bugged so badly that it can't be flown for basic missions.

[Cornelius]

It's a blast to be customer of this company!

 

What next? Bug tracker retired?

[Hawkeye_UK]

Check the public bug tracker - seems that there is not much left to do for the Harrier ......

 

I'm guessing this was a vague attempt at Sarcasm lol.

 

I had a lot of patience with Razbam but being honest now its run out nearly 3 years later with simple things being left and constant poor communication and inadequate bug fixing. I find them rude as bugs reported do not get a response, despite the fact that we, the customer are trying to assist them at a cost to our time and wallet, not theirs.

 

As i said earlier this year, its time to face reality and moderate expectations. Razbam are a fantastic and very talented group of artists, however their coding ability to be honest i find rather dubious and suspect given that long standing issues such as TDC slew would be resolved if they had the skill set in-house. Sounds harsh and said not to cause offence its purely an observation from the facts we have in front of us going on 3 years since the harrier released. So basic but vital controls, the TDC analogue slew, first raised 30 months ago to which we got the response of be patient, its more complicated than it seems and will be resolved (i can find the thread if needed). Then we had the excuse that it was down to peoples hardware architecture not their code with not being able to render in time (despite 2080ti/64gb ram/m2), then an admission there was an issue to the code which was being fixed but here we are, same problem and not resolved. Finally MFD brightness / contrast installed this year post 2.5.6 (not great EHSD still not good re font, still got to turn map off) but do we have working keybinds, despite them being in there, no its non functional!

 

Equally we keep getting more and more screenshots of random aircraft, lighting at one point i spotted, would make a nice wall paper i'm sure. Makes me laugh when see all the kids on the F15E hype train, again moderate your expectations, even if they do push ahead at the expense of their unfinished modules and bring one into EA this year, its still going to be 2023/24 before operationally effective, which even then it may not be.

 

Something has to give and i hope Razbam look at their business model and work out how they can sustain the correct resource base they need to expedite the sales contract issued at POS with the consumer for the modules they sell. We need coders not more artists screenshots that do not mean anything until they have code behind them.

 

Lastly and i think most peoples frustration comes from the diabolic communication from Razbam, not helped by the community manager that its fair to say when asked anything just responded with ask Zeus, he has since left in the last week or two.

 

I for one, will not support any further Razbam modules until they at least start acknowledging genuine bugs raised on these forums and stop being ignorant.

 

Lastly for me, i saw the comment from Razbam saying that they like to use Facebook as they can control the comments on there, which is not a healthy attitude and speaks volumes (also re facebook - some of us don't or can't have it due to work/personal reasons).

[Fri13]

.

 

Lastly and i think most peoples frustration comes from the diabolic communication from Razbam, not helped by the community manager that its fair to say when asked anything just responded with ask Zeus, he has since left in the last week or two.

 

What are these "left" sayings? Left the company, left the forum, passed away or what?

I for one, will not support any further Razbam modules until they at least start acknowledging genuine bugs raised on these forums and stop being ignorant.

 

MiG-23 is my favorite aircraft (originally disliked it a lot) and so much would like to have it. I only hope they could release it so ED could get it to be supported (or get ED make it from scratch by themselves).

 

Lastly for me, i saw the comment from Razbam saying that they like to use Facebook as they can control the comments on there, which is not a healthy attitude and speaks volumes (also re facebook - some of us don't or can't have it due to work/personal reasons).

 

Facebook can go to deep. Same thing with ideas ghat it is the primary channel to communicate with customers. No, in DCS WORLD it is THIS FORUM that matters, nothing more comes primarily but just secondary. Community manager / PR responsible should first make all news, communication and all here. Not in discord, Facebook etc. Those can be secondary but this is primary place.

[Cornelius]

What are these "left" sayings? Left the company, left the forum, passed away or what?

 

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=283362

[jetkid]

RAZBAM indicated during a podcast that the module is, or maybe was a learning tool for their team with no clear timeline to finish if ever.

 

Source link?

 

If that were the case it would be very serious and ED should consider withdrawing the license from RazBam.

 

Pls don't come up with the excuse again: "but you can't buy an EA module"

 

It is a question of seriousness and professionalism.