Ramp start trainer

[RobGordon]

Nice guide, thanks!

 

Why did you use the PNG format?

[therion_prime]

There are a few small errors in WAGS startup videos (probably because some things were not included in the beta) and in the Powerpoint presentation:

 

1) The switches where it says "Enable Batteries" in the Presentation are actually the generators and the 2 guarded switches between the AC and DC ground power are the actual batteries switches.

 

2) Where it says "Disengane APU" in the Presentation is actually the APU Fuel cutoff switch.

One would correctly stop the APU by selecting it and then hitting the STOP button ( the second button left of the START button). Afterwards one would shut off the APU fuel valve.

 

3) The hydraulics master switch is actually switched to OFF in the Presentation. IT's ON by default, so you don't have to touch it.

 

4) The Fire extinguisher system and the fire warning signal have to be switched on. These are the 2 switches next to the red fire extinguisher buttons.

 

If you are in a hurry switch on ABRIS first after enabling ground power, it takes a long time to start up.

 

With a bit of practice (and without the tests) you can get the shark in the air in under 3 minutes.

Edited October 27, 2008 by therion_prime

[therion_prime]

Startup procedure in short (and not from a realistic point of view):

 

Must do:

- AC and DC ground power ON (must test if it can be started with batteries only)

- Fuel Pumps ON

- APU fuel switch ON

- push START button

- Fuel cutoff valves ON ( + external tanks if equipped)

- Engine governors ON

- Rotor brake OFF

- Select left engine, hit START, left fuel cutoff lever OFF @ 1500-2000 RPM

- Wait until green light below the start button goes dark then Repeat for right engine

- Trottle two notches up to AUTO

- (Select APU & hit STOP button) then APU fuel switch OFF

- Generators ON

- Batteries ON

- INU switch ON

- NAV & attitude indicator power ON

- Uncage and adjust ADI / attitude indicator

- Shkval power ON (If Shkval is turned off in midflight, the ADI and the attitide indicator go crazy --- WHY ?? )

- wait until HUD comes on

 

"Optional:"

- Internal/external lights as desired

- Fuel gauge On

- ABRIS ON

- Pitot- INU Heater / Rotor- / Engine anitice ON if cold

- Fire extinguisher ON / Fire warning ON

- Radios / datalink / ejection seat / weapon computer ON

- Nav Panel (forgot the name) to mode "Normal Operation"

- Autopilot buttons (big blue buttons) ON

- Laser power / Master arm ON if desired

- Skhval setting "GMT" (ground moving target) recommended

- LWS and CMS as desired

- Adjust ABRIS and NAV-Panel

- Dial in radio frequencies

- Adjust HUD

- Set radar altitude warning height

- Perform system tests

Edited October 27, 2008 by therion_prime

[Thierry]

Doggy, could you modify your file with therion_prime's modifications and reupload it?

[therion_prime]

A quick and dirty startup video:

 

 

:pilotfly:

[Highwayman-Ed]

Nice job on the powerpoint, my trusty BlackBerry shows it perfectly :)

[Shepski]

Hi guys,

 

Here is another quick start checklist but designed with flow patterns. A flow is a sequence of actions done from memory and is normally in a pattern that keeps the pilot "flowing" along the panels as much as possible rather then switching from panel to panel.

 

As mentioned above a flow is done from memory and then followed up with conformation from a checklist but in this case a checklist follow-up isn't necessary.

 

It is designed to get you started and in the air quickly with minimal system tests and assumes you have a basic understanding of the cockpit layout.

 

 

KA-50 Start Flows - Quick Start with limited tests.

 

- Battery 1 and 2 - on

- Nav lights - on

- "ABCK" intercom switch - on

- Lamp Test - press to check all lights and audible warning functioning

 

*Ground Power - If Required*

- SPU-9 Radio Panel - "HON"

- Advise Ground service you want ground power. - "\" F10, F3, F1

- DC and AC ground power - on

 

Before Engine Start Flow

- Fuel meter - on

- Stopped engine EGT gauge test - press

- Fuel meter gauge test - press

- Forward and aft fuel boost pumps - on

- APU fuel shut-off valve - open

- Standby attitude power - on

- NAV system ground power - on

- EKRAN power - on

- INU power - on

- INU heat - on

- Voice message system test - press

- Engine/APU start select switch - APU

- Engine/APU start button - press - monitor APU EGT

 

Engine Start Flow

- Park brake - on

- Ejection seat - arm

- Left engine fuel shut-off valve - open

- Anti-collision light - on

- Left/right engine EEG switches - on

- Rotorbrake - off

- Engine/APU start select switch - left engine

- Engine/APU start button - press

- At 20% Ng, left engine fuel cut-off lever - open - monitor EGT and engine RPM increase to idle(60-65%)

- Right engine fuel shut-off valve - open

- Engine/APU start select switch - right engine

- Engine/APU start button - press

- At 20% Ng, right engine fuel cut-off lever - open - monitor EGT and engine RPM increase to idle(60-65%)

- Engine throttle levers - auto (2 positions up)

- Left and right engine generators - on

- APU shut-off button - press

- APU fuel shut-off valve - close

- Request ground service personnel to remove ground power - "\" f10, F3, F2

- DC and AC ground power - off

 

After Start Flow

- ABRIS power - on

- Standby attitude indicator - uncage and set

- Running engine EGT gauge test - press

- All remaining radio/datalink switches - on

- Weapon control system - on

- IFF - on

- UV-26 countermeasure power - on

- Laser warning system power - on

- Signal flare power - on

- Autopilot channel switches - on

- Baro/radar altitude hold - as required

- Heading/track mode - as required

- PVI-800 mode selector - on (PA6)

- NAV Waypoint button(NNM) - press and select waypoint number on the keypad

- Center panel - configure as necessary

- K-041 targeting and NAV system power - on

- ABRIS - configure

- Park brake - release

Edited November 27, 2008 by Shepski

[deviletk]

Nice one Shepski!

 

Just for the record, we can power on the ABRIS much faster right? Where can it be turned on in that list if i want it on as soon as possible?

 

Thanks again

 

/Alex

[therion_prime]

As soon as you have power (either ground power or batteries).

 

Edit: Of course, you won't have full functionality until other systems are turned on.

Edited October 28, 2008 by therion_prime

[deviletk]

Should have been obvious... :)

 

Thanks Therion.

[159th_Viper]

Hi guys,

 

Here is another quick start checklist but designed with flow patterns. A flow is a sequence of actions done from memory and is normally in a pattern that keeps the pilot "flowing" along the panels as much as possible rather then switching from panel to panel.

 

As mentioned above a flow is done from memory and then followed up with conformation from a checklist but in this case a checklist follow-up isn't necessary.

 

It is designed to get you started and in the air quickly with minimal system tests and assumes you have a basic understanding of the cockpit layout.

 

 

KA-50 Start Flows - Quick Start with limited tests.

 

- Battery 1 and 2 - on

- Nav lights - on

- "ABCK" intercom switch - on

- Lamp Test - press to check all lights and audible warning functioning

 

*Ground Power - If Required*

- SPU-9 Radio Panel - "HON"

- Advise Ground service you want ground power. - "\" F10, F3, F1

- DC and AC ground power - on

 

Before Engine Start Flow

- Fuel meter - on

- Stopped engine EGT gauge test - press

- Fuel meter gauge test - press

- Forward and aft fuel boost pumps - on

- APU fuel shut-off valve - open

- Standby attitude power - on

- NAV system ground power - on

- INU power - on

- INU heat - on

- Voice message system test - press

- Engine/APU start select switch - APU

- Engine/APU start button - press - monitor APU EGT

 

Engine Start Flow

- Park brake - on

- Ejection seat - arm

- Left engine fuel shut-off valve - open

- Anti-collision light - on

- Left/right engine EEG switches - on

- Rotorbrake - off

- Engine/APU start select switch - left engine

- Engine/APU start button - press

- At 20% Ng, left engine fuel cut-off lever - open - monitor EGT and engine RPM increase to idle(60-65%)

- Right engine fuel shut-off valve - open

- Engine/APU start select switch - right engine

- Engine/APU start button - press

- At 20% Ng, right engine fuel cut-off lever - open - monitor EGT and engine RPM increase to idle(60-65%)

- Engine throttle levers - auto (2 positions up)

- Left and right engine generators - on

- APU shut-off button - press

- APU fuel shut-off valve - close

- Request ground service personnel to remove ground power - "\" f10, F3, F2

- DC and AC ground power - off

 

After Start Flow

- ABRIS power - on

- Standby attitude indicator - uncage and set

- Running engine EGT gauge test - press

- All remaining radio/datalink switches - on

- Weapon control system - on

- IFF - on

- UV-26 countermeasure power - on

- Laser warning system power - on

- Signal flare power - on

- Autopilot channel switches - on

- Baro/radar altitude hold - as required

- Heading/track mode - as required

- PVI-800 mode selector - on (PA6)

- NAV Waypoint button(NNM) - press and select waypoint number on the keypad

- Center panel - configure as necessary

- K-041 targeting and NAV system power - on

- ABRIS - configure

- Park brake - release

 

Very Informative - Appreciated :thumbup:

 

That said - to lessen the Burden of waiting and in an attempt to familiarize oneself with the Cockpit, would it be possible for some Kind Soul to post a coupla screenies depicting the above start sequence of Shepski?

 

Something akin to the powerpoint slides as per the previous posts - as said would be appreciated and would go a long way to aid in the familiarization of the Cockpit as personally I'll be going the Hard-Core route in attempting to master the Shark - No Short-Cuts, Nodeedoodee! :joystick:

 

Ta :D

[leafer]

Thanks but no thanks -- the housekeeper is going to start it and taxi to the runway for me while I have breakfast.

[nemises]

^^ soft :P

[159th_Viper]

Thanks but no thanks -- the housekeeper is going to start it and taxi to the runway for me while I have breakfast.

 

And then Take-Off and Vulch your A$$ while you're hunched over Scrambled Eggs and Bacon........and all that for not givin' her a raise..........:music_whistling:

 

 

:D

[leafer]

:D

[Mugatu]

Great Idea re the iPhone, was wondering how I get to watch the vid while doing the clicking.

 

This is a really good startup guide. Simple, but effective. I'll definitely be printing it off as a reference - rep inbound!

 

One other thing I'll be doing is putting the producers notes on my iPhone and/or laptop, so that I have them as a standby reference when I'm flying. Also, with them being on the iPhone, I can watch them whilst travelling on the train to work etc to brush up on my skills prior to the demo release :D :smartass:

 

Something akin to the F4 startup guide would be awsome though, with some kind of pass/fail status so that you could learn from your mistakes...

 

 

 

 

Edit: (by the way, I will not be broadcasting or publicly showing any of the videos. It's just for my own use etc, etc).

[Zorrin]

I managed to get engines spooled with no ground power and no APU. I'm sure that would've placed some serious strain on the batteries! So you can shortcut that way if you need to too.

But obviously it is probably not part of Mr Kamov's approved start up procedures.

[therion_prime]

Great Idea re the iPhone, was wondering how I get to watch the vid while doing the clicking.

 

In my signature there's a startup video I made. It's much shorter than Wags' producers note vid and possibly not how you'd do it in RL, but it works.

[therion_prime]

I managed to get engines spooled with no ground power and no APU. I'm sure that would've placed some serious strain on the batteries! So you can shortcut that way if you need to too.

But obviously it is probably not part of Mr Kamov's approved start up procedures.

 

It's possible to start without ground power, but I somtimes fail to do so when there's much electricity needed.

For example on a nighttime mission where you switch on all of the lights prior startup and look like a christmas tree (and run the Abris and other stuff from batteries), it happened to me that I had to switch ground power on because the right Engine wouldn't start.

[AlphaOneSix]

You better not be able to start the engines without the APU. The engines have air starters, not electric starters, and require bleed air from the APU. The APU has electric power and can be started just fine with batteries only (i.e. no ground power). Ground power is handy, and it makes your batteries happy, but it's not really necessary. I think it's a Russian thing, in the U.S. Army we never used ground power units to start the aircraft unless there was some kind of problem with the batteries.

[AlphaOneSix]

UPDATE: I've removed this attachment, the latest copy (for now) is later on in this thread...here is the link to the post: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=582866&postcount=65

 

I've been working on a checklist for a little while now. I have not put as much time into it as I would have liked, but I figured I'd just toss out what I have at the moment. This copy probably has some omissions and/or errors in it. If you notice any, please feel free to let me know.

 

Note that as a helicopter crew chief, I am very much against memorizing things. I simply don't believe in it, as that is how things get missed. I am making this checklist in a manner very similar to real checklists used at my current job. Hopefully the formatting will get changed so that it will be more "kneeboard-friendly", but like I said I have not really spent a great deal of time on it yet.

 

Anyway, I hope it helps some of you, and you find it interesting, and don't forget to tell me if changes need to be made or if you disagree with anything (like I know some of the steps jump from panel to panel and may not flow very well, I am working on that).

 

The real reason I am posting this is really to see if there is interest, and to get me motivated to continue working on it, since if it is just for me, it may never get done! :D

Edited December 4, 2008 by AlphaOneSix

[takamba]

Nice job, AlphaOneSix :thumbup:

 

Thank you very much.

[harry_swe]

Very nice

 

Thanks!

[SunDown]

Great job! The only thing I would add is changing the labels to English western users who plan on flying with an English labeled cockpit.

 

Thanks

Edited November 26, 2008 by SunDown

[element1108]

Took me about 3 times to memorize the startup...walking to and from work I'll go through the list in my head between flights to help it set in. The notes are great, I'll be using them for reference as the training in the Russian version is all in Russian.

 

At least, until the English version drops :)