jojyrocks Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 The Su-30 is very much a guilty pleasure of mine. I would be absolutely ecstatic to be able to fly one in DCS. Impossible to hope for a flyable Su-30 version of even FC3 kind when we don't even have a possible improvement underway mentioned in the placeholder roadmap for an improved 3D AI Model for the Su-30. Currently we have a paint/gimp version of Su-30 that looks VERY odd in the current improved AI model graphics.
Alba57 Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 It got an F-18 in real life. I’m trying to be respectful to the pilot that was flying that day, but he was shot down by an R-40TD. It may have low G limits, but if you can surprise someone especially with a missile that doesn’t give RWR warning and an IRST to back it up, a lot of asymmetrical scenarios become possible. It did it in real life, so I see no evidence to say it’s only good against SR-71. It got F-4s and F-5s also, obviously the F-18 shot down was no fluke but a pilot taking advantage of a good opportunity. Hell this is DCS where people fly MiG-21s against Hornets and still get kills sometime, I’ve seen MiG-15s take out Hornets. I have no reason to doubt that event in 1991 and successes throughout the Iran Iraq war. I’m not saying it will win, but there is real life precedent in the form of confirmed victories for its use against fighters, and no evidence that it’s only good for SR-71. When it’s been used successfully in real life against even fourth gen fighters flown by the US Navy, I don’t know how you can argue that such a scenario isn’t possible in DCS as well:dunno: As for defending against a Phoenix, with a SPO-15 Beryoza, it’s just a matter of positioning and reading it right, using your speed and notching when you have to. It may be hard and was actually killed by a Phoenix once in real life, but there’s no reason for a good 25 pilot to think it’s hopeless against Phoenix when MiG-29s and Su-27s manage it with the same RWR and less speed, with Beryoza and using its speed I think a lot is possible for a good pilot, just like almost any other airframe matchup in DCS. Mig-25 would not work in DCS World. It´s a long range, high speed interceptor, so it needs way much bigger maps and a way much better ground control to make its mission. Also the mission with a Mig-25 it's only one: take off, go as fast and as high as possible, follow Ground Control orders to intercept B-52 or B-1, lock them with your radar, launch missiles, and run away before the enemy escort fighters get you... Most people prefer multirole planes because, at the end of the day, this is a game, and multirole is more interesting than just always the same mission. It´s like the F-111 or the Mirage IV: cool planes, but would not work in DCS World.
Harlikwin Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 this is why I think DCS should focus more on capping towards 1990. ww2 to 1990. not that I dont wish for more futuristic planes, just that anyone who thinks the russians would seriously share data on any plane that their military flies or even sells to make a full fidelity model, theyre smoking crack. ffs, someone got arrested in the US over the damn F16 module boarding an airplane with flight manuals for a F16A... Yup... i think realistically mid 90s. Many countries have a 25 year minimum declass date. 1 1 New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
dundun92 Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 Impossible to hope for a flyable Su-30 version of even FC3 kind when we don't even have a possible improvement underway mentioned in the placeholder roadmap for an improved 3D AI Model for the Su-30. Currently we have a paint/gimp version of Su-30 that looks VERY odd in the current improved AI model graphics. This would be deka taking this on not ED, so whether EDs AI model is complete doesnt mean much. 1 Eagle Enthusiast, Fresco Fan. Patiently waiting for the F-15E. Clicky F-15C when? HP Z400 Workstation Intel Xeon W3680 (i7-980X) OC'd to 4.0 GHz, EVGA GTX 1060 6GB SSC Gaming, 24 GB DDR3 RAM, 500GB Crucial MX500 SSD. Thrustmaster T16000M FCS HOTAS, DIY opentrack head-tracking. I upload DCS videos here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0-7L3Z5nJ-QUX5M7Dh1pGg
jojyrocks Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 This would be deka taking this on not ED, so whether EDs AI model is complete doesnt mean much. If doable by 3rd party devs they would most certainly try out the more modern Su-27 family series....yes from the Chinese variants and derivatives too. It would certainly sell so well. So from the THIRD party devs. IF they can. They could possibly do an EARLY Su-30 model and the base version could be doable. At least the Chinese Sukhoi family might have a chance. I don't know what their NEXT module truly is, though. No confirmation on that. ED did say most of the 3D model AI model improvements are done by their third party sources.
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted October 22, 2020 Author Posted October 22, 2020 If the Su-30MKK proves to be too ambitious a pursuit for Deka, could a full fidelity later J-11A with MFI-55 in full fidelity be an option? Or even an early model without the MFI-55/extra screen? That would certainly lack and MFD.
Terrorban Posted October 22, 2020 Posted October 22, 2020 I am curious for Su-30MKK. Would DEKA need permission only from China or Russia as well to develop it in DCS? Would be nice to see this one with multi crew support. Airplanes : A-10C II | AJS-37 | A/V-8B | F-4E | F-14A/B | F/A-18C | FC3 | JF-17 | M2000-C Helicopters : AH-64D | CH-47F | Ka-50 III | Mi-24P | Mi-8MTV2 | SA342 | UH-1H Other Modules : Combined Arms | Persian Gulf | Afghanistan TRAINED - LEARNING - LOW EXPERIENCE - ABANDONED
Top Jockey Posted October 24, 2020 Posted October 24, 2020 I know it may be hard for anyone to get enough info on the Su-30. If so, I just wish Deka to move on to the next module as quickly as possible. Preferably J-8F and J-7G. To me, with ASM, each of those module can easily worth $200. Sure, why not $400 ? They do ask $80 for a more "complex" weapons system like the F-14 Tomcat... but someone could ask $200 for remanufactured 3rd generation interceptors. Jets Helis Maps FC 3 JA 37 Ka-50 Caucasus F-14 A/B MiG-23 Mi-8 MTV2 Nevada F-16 C MiG-29 F/A-18 C Mirage III E MiG-21 bis Mirage 2000 C i7-4790 K , 16 GB DDR3 , GTX 1660 Ti 6GB , Samsung 860 QVO 1TB
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted October 26, 2020 Author Posted October 26, 2020 You said this would be possible depending available information, what information would you need? Radar specs? RWR info? Avionics logic? 1
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted December 21, 2020 Author Posted December 21, 2020 Recently uboats said that you guys would need a manual, I thought you guys had one what happened? 2
Wizard_03 Posted December 22, 2020 Posted December 22, 2020 (edited) Too bad its not the MKI...No thrust vectoring, Canards, or LITENING pod for MKK. Edited December 22, 2020 by Wizard_03 DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer:
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted December 22, 2020 Author Posted December 22, 2020 I do wish some one made an MKI If I'm not mistaken its from about the same time but I'm not as well versed in all its variants and blocks certainly there must be an early one no longer in service that can be done. Albeit air to air exclusive sadly is my guess.
F-2 Posted December 24, 2020 Posted December 24, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 8:15 PM, Wizard_03 said: Too bad its not the MKI...No thrust vectoring, Canards, or LITENING pod for MKK. On 12/21/2020 at 10:52 PM, TaxDollarsAtWork said: I do wish some one made an MKI If I'm not mistaken its from about the same time but I'm not as well versed in all its variants and blocks certainly there must be an early one no longer in service that can be done. Albeit air to air exclusive sadly is my guess. It might be possible, Someone would have to ask HAL or the Indian Air Force if they can authorize it. They had a lot of leeway getting terms when they made the deal and own some of the systems and maybe even the whole craft, a dev would have to ask.
jojyrocks Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/25/2020 at 3:36 AM, F-2 said: It might be possible, Someone would have to ask HAL or the Indian Air Force if they can authorize it. They had a lot of leeway getting terms when they made the deal and own some of the systems and maybe even the whole craft, a dev would have to ask. I doubt it. It is like the backbone fighter currently in service with IAF and as such. It would be almost impossible to get permission. I mean we don't even have an AI 3D model of the Su-30 even in the roadmaps mentioned. So if not even an updated 3D AI model, then hoping for the Su-30MK1 is pretty much...well, impossible. However...the MOST BASE version of Su-30 could have SOME sliver of hope.... 1
F-2 Posted December 30, 2020 Posted December 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, jojyrocks said: I doubt it. It is like the backbone fighter currently in service with IAF and as such. It would be almost impossible to get permission. I mean we don't even have an AI 3D model of the Su-30 even in the roadmaps mentioned. So if not even an updated 3D AI model, then hoping for the Su-30MK1 is pretty much...well, impossible. However...the MOST BASE version of Su-30 could have SOME sliver of hope.... True, it’s due for a major mid life update though with a lot of systems to be changed including radar and I know full cockpit simulators exist.
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted January 5, 2021 Author Posted January 5, 2021 Any Irkut Su-30 is equally welcome but I am not sure if Deka would be able to do any You would need a double (in the case of MKM & MKA Triple since you factor in the client nation) coincidence where UAC and HAL are OK with it being made Because of political sensitivities I am not sure HAL would be OK with Deka making the Su-30MKI/Etc Here's hoping Deka proves me wrong though I'd like to see it happen.
Mike_Romeo Posted January 21, 2021 Posted January 21, 2021 Su-30 is still in the race guys 8 4 My skins
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted January 22, 2021 Author Posted January 22, 2021 Well that is lovely news, remember we want the two extra hard points, Deka!
J20Stronk Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, TaxDollarsAtWork said: Well that is lovely news, remember we want the two extra hard points, Deka! That's MK2, I think. MKK has the 10 from the original Su-27UB and no AShM capabilities. MK2 has 12 and can carry Kh-31A. 1
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted January 22, 2021 Author Posted January 22, 2021 19 minutes ago, J20Stronk said: That's MK2, I think. MKK has the 10 from the original Su-27UB and no AShM capabilities. MK2 has 12 and can carry Kh-31A. LQJ posted earlier in this thread how the MKK has extra hard points too though its a rarer sight About the AShM & Air to Surface in general it would be interesting to hear flat out what the MKK can and can't carry from @LJQCN101since he has the manual
Skysurfer Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) As much as I'd personally prefer the older planes like the J-8 and Q-5, DCS seriously needs a FF SU-30MK[X] of some sort to simply offer a compareble equivalent to all the modern bluefor jets we have in the game right now. Let alone the multicrew aspect of it. Any well done SU-30 (which Deka are more than capable of given what they showed with the JF-17 for the most part) would sell like hotcakes. Edited January 22, 2021 by Skysurfer 3
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted January 25, 2021 Author Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Found these pictures of Su-30MK2s with PL-12s and PL-8s Does Deka know if this is just a trial like in the J-11A's case, or part of an official upgrade? Does it only apply to the MK2 or MKK aswell. Edited January 25, 2021 by TaxDollarsAtWork
Hoarfrost Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 And will the su 30MKK have its own R 27ER and R77 missiles, fixed from ED bugs?)))
Mike_Romeo Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 I dont think so and even If, ED is doing all the missiles now. They took over the missile development last summer. My skins
Chiron Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 9 hours ago, Mike_Romeo said: I dont think so and even If, ED is doing all the missiles now. They took over the missile development last summer. they just said they are planning to do that considering Phoenix state so far not using the New API then no ... ED is not but they are planning to make that in the future 14 hours ago, Hoarfrost said: And will the su 30MKK have its own R 27ER and R77 missiles, fixed from ED bugs?))) i dont think even they did .. they will taking control of ED work so even if DEKA made this module they will use ED missiles but who cares this one i think can carry Chinese missiles .. but anyway Mig-29 is coming so ED is gonna put extra work on Russian missiles before Mig-29 release ... in the end we only wish for the best
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