System VR ready?

[StevanJ]

VR on high, on an i3, 8gb 2666, and a 2080ti plugged in for a laugh..

 

[Gunnars Driver]

VR on high, on an i3, 8gb 2666, and a 2080ti plugged in for a laugh..

 

Settings can be changed, but the i3 does limit reaching 100%. ( you should look at the individual cores in resources monitor instead to get details).

I guess its a non clocked i3 reaching 4ghz or less due to all cores loaded ? Good example of CPU maxed out.

[manne]

The CPU draws the scenes and objects, the graphics card renders them. Compared to typical games, DCS draws vastly more objects with greater draw distances. So even in 2D many situations with lots of objects like a city will limit your performance to being governed by your CPU. In VR every scene needs to be drawn twice, once for each eye. Add to this load on the CPU from flight modeling, AI etc and the fact that all this is on a single CPU thread. GPU-limited situations will be those without many other objects to draw or less other aircraft AI etc.

Ah I see. I would think the CPU needs to calculate only once, and show this to the two different eyes with just a little adjustment. But the CPU needs to calculate both eyes separately adding more load to the CPU compared to just using a normal monitor.

 

In general, based on the advice so far, I think my strategy will be as follows:

 

0. Buy all flight sim hardware again :doh:

1. Start with a Quest 2, enjoy it stand-alone (does VR work for me, do I get nauseous etc?) and simply test it on my PC with different games including DCS. Just to get a feel for what games are possible (if any) and what games are not.

2. Squeeze more power from my current machine by overclocking the CPU and upgrading just the GPU for now.

3. At a later stage, when/if necessary, upgrade all main components (motherboard, memory, CPU) so it works best with the new GPU and with VR.

4. If I enjoy everything, eventually trade in the Quest 2 for more high-end PC VR experience like HP G2.

[Gunnars Driver]

I think my strategy will be as follows:

 

Yes, I think you got it. Just to do what suits you best.

 

If you follow stormridesp tip and upgrade: It is fun to upgrade :-)

[stormrider]

[wormeaten]

Yes wait until christmas. Then will be probably best budget option for VR R5-3600XT which easily OC to 4.6. Some ROG Strix B450 MBO is some bestbuy options for gaming with good VRM for OC. With new 5600X on market 3600XT will drop the price. You can save more than 200$ that way and then invest it in better GPU. 6700XT will be cheepest option with more VRAM and lower price than 3070 and all this budget solution will be better than i9 9900 OC 5.0Ghz with 2080Ti.

 

Such rig after all with 1TB NvMe SSD and 32Gb DDR4 on 3200Mhz and 6700XT will cost you les than 1000$ complete rig with PSU cooler and casse. This will be killer machine even for Reverb G2.

 

Personally I'm in same situation. I preordered G2 and now planing to upgread that way only I will use my existing 750W PSU casse and H100i AiO. And I will add little more for 6800XT or 6900XT depend on final price.

[stormrider]

After the latest announcements, I made my decision. I'm gonna keep my system for the time being. The biggest problem imho, the x of the equation, is that people want to have the best latest VR HMD to play the oldest engine, worst VR optimized game in the market. Even next gen brute hardware force might not cut it to push 12 millions pixels (compared to 2.6 millions of a cv1). But people these days are easily hyped by next gen gadget, they just need to spend. Consumerism, that's what it's called. People who line up and camp in front of apple stores in order to be the first 1000th to have the latest and newest, or people who bid £1700 for a 3080 on ebay....I find that silly. I'd rather upgrade my mountain bike.

 

 

 

So I'm gonna keep my humble CV1 and system and scavenge any current/next gen gpu bargain I can find. I'm aiming for a 5700xt or a 2070ti, or perhaps even a rx6700 if the price is right. In 1+ years time, I might grab a ryzen 5600X when it's 50+% off, just like I did with my current r5 3600. Hell with all these crap. What's hilarious to me is that people bash on the scalpers and not the people feeding them...

Edited October 10, 2020 by stormridersp

[manne]

Re: the state of DCS regarding VR optimization. Are there any well optimized VR flight games available? (Be it sim or something in between arcade and sim?). Just to experience the feel of flight in VR without the experience being completely arcade?

[stormrider]

Try X-Plane 11 Vulkan. It's far from perfect, they still have a very long way into optimizing the game engine for multicore cpus, but imho, comparatively, with similar qualitative graphic "looks" while still being quantitatively more in the high and mid-high settings, x-plane runs a lot better and smoother. But that's my opinion.

 

X PLANE 11.50 VULKAN OFFICIAL RELEASE | HP REVERB G1

Edited October 10, 2020 by stormridersp

[Taz1004]

MSFS 2020 didn't launch with VR. Codemasters F1 2020 didn't launch with VR. Half Life Alyx was VR only...

There's nothing that does both 2D and VR well. Not in complex simulation level. It's not like you can make VR game and tell the engine to make it 2D. Because requirements are different. If you make a game optimized for VR, you are sacrificing something for 2D. And vice versa.

 

Hopefully this changes in future generation game engine.

[Gunnars Driver]

MSFS 2020 didn't launch with VR. Codemasters F1 2020 didn't launch with VR. Half Life Alyx was VR only...

There's nothing that does both 2D and VR well. Not in complex simulation level. It's not like you can make VR game and tell the engine to make it 2D. Because requirements are different. If you make a game optimized for VR, you are sacrificing something for 2D. And vice versa.

 

Hopefully this changes in future generation game engine.

 

There are games doing both 2D and VR good.

 

Asetto corsa for example. Its not VR completely implemeted( some menues have to be done outside VR) but the game works very well in VR.

I have all settings on max, good picture and always 90fps.

 

Of course theres more games also that works fine in VR

[stormrider]

There are games doing both 2D and VR good.

 

Asetto corsa for example. Its not VR completely implemeted( some menues have to be done outside VR) but the game works very well in VR.

I have all settings on max, good picture and always 90fps.

 

Of course theres more games also that works fine in VR

 

 

Very good example. Kunos Simulazioni are among the best developers.

[Taz1004]

Of course theres more games also that works fine in VR

 

Anyone can argue that DCS works "good" and "fine" in VR. That's not what my point was.

Edited October 10, 2020 by Taz1004

[Gunnars Driver]

Anyone can argue that DCS works "good" and "fine" in VR. That's not what my point was.

 

And complexity of AI in racing simulation is far simpler than flight sim. AI is not even a factor in multiplayer racing.

 

I wasnt thinking about or insinuating DCS. If I had, I had written that.

 

There's nothing that does both 2D and VR well.

 

My answer is to the above quoted because I do not find it correct.

[Taz1004]

My answer is to the above quoted because I do not find it correct.

 

Then you took it out of context. Full statement was

There's nothing that does both 2D and VR well. Not in complex simulation level.

 

And all the examples you guys gave came with

 

"It's far from perfect"

"Its not VR completely implemeted"

"good"

"fine"

 

Again, the point is that you can't make a game that's optimized for both. Not with today's game engines.

Edited October 10, 2020 by Taz1004

[Gunnars Driver]

Then you took it out of context. Full statement was

 

 

And all the examples you guys gave came with

 

"It's far from perfect"

"Its not VR completely implemeted"

"good"

"fine"

 

Again, the point is that you can't make a game that's optimized for both. Not with today's game engines.

 

So what is noncomplex about Assetto Corsa ? Racing with 25 or more other cars close together v?

Its fantastic, its fine and its good. Uses all 8 or 18 cores if you have, dont load the CPU and you can have good graphics AND 90fps. (I average 90.0 fps with full settings).

It was also made for 2d originally but they made it work for VR as well. The menu stuff shouldnt be that hard to fix. When gaming its good both in VR and without.

[Taz1004]

So what is noncomplex about Assetto Corsa ? Racing with 25 or more other cars close together v?

Its fantastic, its fine and its good. Uses all 8 or 18 cores if you have, dont load the CPU and you can have good graphics AND 90fps. (I average 90.0 fps with full settings).

It was also made for 2d originally but they made it work for VR as well. The menu stuff shouldnt be that hard to fix. When gaming its good both in VR and without.

 

Your post has my answer in it.

 

And I've been racing sim fan long before flight sim fan. I raced online since Papyrus Hawaii with dial up modem.

 

And Assetto Corsa had exactly same complaints as DCS. You have to do a lot of tweaking to make it work and still it's YMMV thing. Just as in DCS. It is NOT optimized for both 2D and VR.

 

 

AI in racing simulation is also simpler. It follows pre-programmed racing line with different collision radius to activate pre-programmed action. Doesn't even have tire wear modeled for AI. It's just tire last X number of laps.

[hansangb]

So what is noncomplex about Assetto Corsa ? Racing with 25 or more other cars close together v?

Its fantastic, its fine and its good. Uses all 8 or 18 cores if you have, dont load the CPU and you can have good graphics AND 90fps. (I average 90.0 fps with full settings).

It was also made for 2d originally but they made it work for VR as well. The menu stuff shouldnt be that hard to fix. When gaming its good both in VR and without.

 

 

Well there a few things that immediately come to mind.

1) You're not going 500MPH or above mach, so there's no need to draw such a huge map.

2) The view is from ground level so there isn't much of a radius to draw

3) The physics is far simpler than 6DOF aircraft

 

 

Having said that, the new Star Wars came looks pretty good on 2D and in VR.

[Taz1004]

Having said that, the new Star Wars came looks pretty good on 2D and in VR.

 

Almost pressed the "Buy" button on that but watched some reviews and looked to me like a FPS in space. Does it have any physics to talk about?

 

And you can get away with a lot in fictional stuff because people will assume that's just the way it is.

[Gunnars Driver]

And Assetto Corsa had exactly same complaints as DCS. You have to do a lot of tweaking to make it work and still it's YMMV thing. Just as in DCS.

 

No, I never did need to tweak AC. Got it 2016 withe the O Rift CV1 (GTX1080) and it worked flawless. Setup took 10 minutes to find settings that gave complete smooth gaming.

When I upgraded to Reverb(also upgraded the computer) I could turn all settings on max and still have 90 fps.

[Gunnars Driver]

Well there a few things that immediately come to mind.

1) You're not going 500MPH or above mach, so there's no need to draw such a huge map.

2) The view is from ground level so there isn't much of a radius to draw

3) The physics is far simpler than 6DOF aircraft

 

 

Having said that, the new Star Wars came looks pretty good on 2D and in VR.

 

I think we are coming away from the thread.

 

I said that there is games that run fine on both VR and 2d. And they do. Period.

 

Taz implied that i ment DCS, which I didnt.

 

For the record, the speed 500mph isnt needed to make DCS stutter. You can easy get there on the ramp with the engines still not running. That said, I am not that unhappy with how DCS works in VR. I can live with it, I have only used premium HW and it have worked fine. Absolutely needs tuning and tweaking but I have done it since I got the first racing game 25 years ago so it really iisnt any news for me.

[Taz1004]

No, I never did need to tweak AC. Got it 2016 withe the O Rift CV1 (GTX1080) and it worked flawless. Setup took 10 minutes to find settings that gave complete smooth gaming.

When I upgraded to Reverb(also upgraded the computer) I could turn all settings on max and still have 90 fps.

 

Hence YMMV. There are people here who will tell you DCS worked VR right out of the box.

 

So what is noncomplex about Assetto Corsa ?

 

I didn't imply that. But as you said, we're getting off track.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Taz1004

[hansangb]

I think we are coming away from the thread.

 

I said that there is games that run fine on both VR and 2d. And they do. Period.

 

Taz implied that i ment DCS, which I didnt.

 

For the record, the speed 500mph isnt needed to make DCS stutter. You can easy get there on the ramp with the engines still not running. That said, I am not that unhappy with how DCS works in VR. I can live with it, I have only used premium HW and it have worked fine. Absolutely needs tuning and tweaking but I have done it since I got the first racing game 25 years ago so it really iisnt any news for me.

 

I'm agreeing with you as evidenced by my other Star Wars post. And the Ready on the RAMP in Persian gulf with FA18 is hard on the FPS. But it's also because they were rendering FA18 incorrectly, IIRC. And the speed part wasn't about the speed. Rather you just cover more ground and have to fetch more stuff in real time.

[hansangb]

Almost pressed the "Buy" button on that but watched some reviews and looked to me like a FPS in space. Does it have any physics to talk about?

 

And you can get away with a lot in fictional stuff because people will assume that's just the way it is.

 

 

I'm actually going to ask for a refund. It's a cool shooter, FPS combined. But I"m so used to DCS that the physic of it bothers me. It's a good game, but so far out of "flight sim" that I don't care for it.

 

But sitting in that massive hangar is pretty cool! :D

[Eldur]

Almost pressed the "Buy" button on that but watched some reviews and looked to me like a FPS in space. Does it have any physics to talk about?

 

And you can get away with a lot in fictional stuff because people will assume that's just the way it is.

 

Don't do it. It has the same problem the Gazelle has. Hard coded deadzone. Just that it is 5 times bigger, 50% instead of just 8%. I've heard that it ain't fun at all with that issue.

 

As for the OP: If you had a graphics card (pun intended) and upped your CPU clock, you should be fine, but I wouldn't recommend anything above 1600px vertical res at all, and even those with that res might struggle a lot already. And do yourself a favour: Do. Not. Enter. Multiplayer.