[INVESTIGATING]AI Helicopters refuse to attack

[ataribaby]

AI helicopters refuse to attack, Tried Mi-24, Mi-26 and KA-50 with same result. Latest beta.

 

 

test.miz

[Flappie]

You meant Mi-28, I guess, not Mi-26. :smilewink:

 

I can reproduce this bug 100% of the time, but it's only happening when enemy units are located to the south-east of the Poti lake. This area seems to act like a cloacking device of some sort.

I've moved the units to the south, changed the Ka-50 course, and the pilot started shooting his Vikhrs.

 

100% reproducible on current stable as well.

[Flappie]

Here's the approximate area of the "black hole".

 

[ataribaby]

LOL soo I was that lucky with selecting black hole area on whole map. Nice :) Thanks for explanation. I will try relocate and see if it makes difference. I didn't know such black holes exist in DCS.

 

[ataribaby]

Relocated targets. Same black hole. AI heli doesn't attack at all. Looks like whole map is black hole.

 

[ataribaby]

Yep, moved targets south and heli started shoot and destroyed targets. Definitely there is bug in AI or in the terrain itself.

 

[MadDog-IC]

Yep, moved targets south and heli started shoot and destroyed targets. Definitely there is bug in AI or in the terrain itself.

 

It's a problem with the weapon deployment of the Vikher missiles, the faulty AI Ka-50 doesn't use their stand off range and runs in like a normal S-8KOM rocket attack at 1.4km whilst also increasing altitude to the point that it can no longer angle the Vikher pods at the target and does some stupid porpoising up and down between aiming them and trying to keep its altitude, it keeps doing this until it is so close that it gets hit with bullet fire, it also doesn't travel far enough from the target (usually almost directly over the top of the target by the time the helo turns around and lines up again for a shot) for successive attack runs and couldn't possibly get a proper laser lock and missile away in time, missiles when shot are mostly always missing the targets.

 

If you change the weapons load outs on the AI Ka-50 to 80xS-8kom's or just guns, the same Helo will attack the group correcty, but they are short range weapons only and helo will be killed before capable of taking all tanks out.

 

I believe there is a combination of problems with the vision settings for the AI KA-50, it sees the targets, it lines them up for a shot, then it either doesn't shoot because its not lasing the target for the vikhers missiles properly, it continues to change it altitude until it is out of the firing parameters of the missiles or that the trees or the terrain are interfering in some way also. Weather, clouds and time of day doesn't seem to be an issue in this test mission, but can be in other missions.

 

Been like this for some time.

 

Regards, Ian.

 

[ataribaby]

Don't think it is tied to KA-50 only. I tried Mi-24 and Mi-28 with same results. At least Mi-24 doesn't use Vikher if I am not wrong. Will try your suggested loadout change. Anyway bug is there :(

[BIGNEWY]

It seems to be a problem with the terrain, I have asked the team to take a look.

 

thanks

[ataribaby]

Thanks

[Flappie]

Here's another thread showing a similar issue (AI Ka-50 flies over threats but don't attack them most of the time), this time near Sochi airbase.

[Taz1004]

MadDog may be right that it's related to Vikhr rather than terrain.

I used Hunter_5E's mod that lets you equip Hellfires on Ka-50 and wingman did fire on targets it would not fire on with Vikhr.

 

Altho, I happen to think there are many factors that causes this issue and Vikhr is just one of them

 

 

Hunter_5E's Hellfire mod

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.c...files/3311441/

[Fisherman82]

I had this problem in the Golan Heights, could not work out what was wrong, had to give up.

[Gryzor]

Fix this Ka-50 wingman is totally unusable

[Gryzor]

Any fix????

[Flappie]

I've just replayed the track in the OP. This issue seems to have been fixed.