R27ET Data link

[GGTharos]

You either want a sim, or you don't.

[Pilotasso]

We fly Migs in the game that do not belong to any third world country. People seem to beleive its still a good fighter, let us find out in a realistic SIM. :)

[wed]

I just wanted to proove my statement that ER is the same as 120 in Lo. By my experience, of course

 

Fired/killed

Р-77 13/4

Р-27ЭТ 9/4

Р-27Т 2/2

Р-27ЭР 4/1

AIM-120C 6/1

Р-73 3/1

 

I was shot down by

 

Р-73 3

Р-27ЭМ 1

cannon 1

 

I fired my ET only after the LA , but it got rather often too close to hit enemy by this mighty missile. In this very case you can see that T is more effective. As for 120/ER you can see that their figures're very close.

to less data for statistic

[Teknetinium]

if u fixed all the things to get AIM-120 more realistic it would be even harder to hit anything whit it, that's my two crowns. same goes for all missiles in LOMAC.

I just wish that happened in new patches that comes out.

At distance AIM-120 go active ET has a heat signeture ;)

[GGTharos]

If missiles were fixed to be more realistic, 120's would be hitting a whole lot more, as shown by real life evidence.

[Teknetinium]

Do u have some real life evidence off ET or 77?

[D-Scythe]

Do u have some real life evidence off ET or 77?

 

There is evidence for the AMRAAM. Everyone knows the AMRAAM is more effective in real life than in the sim - however, if you wanna start questioning the performance of the ET and 77 IRL, then go ahead.

 

Thought we'd apply the same logic to all missiles. But look, that's us being all fair again :music_whistling:

[tflash]

Discussing the F-15C combat record is, quite frankly, a little bit over the top. Do you have examples of aircraft with a more clear combat record?

 

OK, who are we to say that the sun is bright, since it never faced real competition?

 

Lets ditch this going-nowhere discussion and focus on the real important questions: the R-27ET Data link that never was or why not the R-27EA (AE) mystery missile?

[GGTharos]

^^^^

Burn the witch! :D

[*Rage*]

but I'm not worried about eagle dominating crane. :pilotfly:

 

Certainly not me and my wingman's crane;)

[Geier]

to less data for statistic

Wed, I've been flying LO online at least every weekends since spring'06 and this figure is the same all times. As for me it's very significant. No needed to fly and die more than 20 times to understand that you're doing something wrong or right:)

[Rhino4]

:ermm:...Didn't this post start off being about the ET? Think we've gotten a little bit OT haven't we? Sad to see another thread hijacked like this....Just my opinion.

[monotwix]

When there is a jack to talk about ET, cowboys talk about horses.

Or some thing.

[Groove]

And i thought this thread was about R-27ET Datalink.

 

You guys derailed the thread.

 

Closed, maybe we can split the threads.

[EvilBivol-1]

OT moved

 

Please stay on topic.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

R-27 (K-27, Izdeliye 470) family of missiles has a modular design. Changing modules make these missiles to be R, ER, T, ET, EM (never seen any pictures of it) and maybe EA.

 

Module 1 is seeker head.

Module 2 houses radar proximity fuse and the autopilot.

Module 3 houses rudders, servo motors and electric power sources.

Module 4 is warhead (fragmentation or continuous rod)

Module 5 is solid fuel rocket motor (Standard or E ).

 

The question is which module the mid course guidance electronics resides and if it is on the T/ET missile?

[Prophet]

According to the the purpose the missile was intended for, I see no reason to have mid course guidance.

 

But it sure would be powerful if it did, outside that of the initial intention.

 

I would venture to say that they dont, more so for financial reasons than anything else.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

Can any IR missile establish lock after launch?

[goro]

Can any IR missile establish lock after launch?

Most modern Aim-9x.

[GGTharos]

Probably R-40, then for modern missiles there is AIM-9X (no idea if it is in fact used in a LOAL mode at all though), Python 5, MICA IR, Iris-T, ASRAAM. Note that pretty much most of those are FPA-based heaters, and the only one that isn't was a high-altitude bomber interceptor.

[nscode]

.. and R-74

 

The question is which module the mid course guidance electronics resides

 

I think i've read somewhere that it's in the seeker.

[GGTharos]

I forgot about that one. Is it operational yet, in any way shape or form? I heard some conflicting stuff about it, and I have no idea what's really being done with it at this point.

[mvsgas]

If any of this IR missiles receives mid course guidance, is it by radio or is there some other form like laser or GPS? What give it the guidance? RADAR or EOS? How is it transmitted? Special antennas, UHF or VHF?

[GGTharos]

Right now AAMs receive MCU's by radio only. GPS only does things for the missile's own position. The MCU antennae are mounted on the radar antenna itself usually, IIRC, or the radar antenna itself generates the signal (certainly true for PESA/AESA)

[mvsgas]

So the aircraft systems would use the RADAR antenna to send mid course info or Data link info/correction to the missile... cool thanks.

 

P.S.

What missile do use Data link or mid course guidance ( that we know of) and how are they compared to missiles we suspect or believe use mid course guidance? Sorry for all the question, I do not know much about the subject.