Forest Fires, Working "Bambi-buckets" and a CL 415 Super scooper !

[Northstar98]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

Every wish thread attracts people who agree with it. That doesn’t make every wish worth doing.

 

And every time something doesn't 100% fit the mighty acronym, there's always someone who comes to mind who opposes it, but just because this person doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean it's not worth doing...

 

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

If there’s already a sever like this why do you need more?

 

Don't need another server, that's not what's being asked for.

[Northstar98]

58 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Again, you do realize that it’s futile for anyone to make non-combat flight simulations anymore. It’s all monopolized by a single giant software company now. People who want that sort of game won’t be buying DCS

 

I take it those other, civilian flight simulators all evaporated as soon as the one your referring to came up.

 

Spoiler alert: they didn't.

 

Plus that one doesn't even support sling loading, we on the other hand do, and there's already a group of players interested in, so while I wouldn't put it at a super high priority, the idea does have merit. 

 

Right now slingloading doesn't have much of a practical reason behind it, wouldn't it be great if it did?

[SharpeXB]

1 minute ago, Northstar98 said:

 

And every time something doesn't 100% fit the mighty acronym, there's always someone who comes to mind who opposes it, but just because this person doesn't agree with it, doesn't mean it's not worth doing...

The mighty acronym combat, just became the lifeline for DCS. You guys still don’t get it. The world of flight simulation just became owned by a single giant company which nobody else can compete with. That market is closed. 
What makes DCS unique is combat. DCS offers highly accurately military aircraft, systems, weapons, damage models, historical maps, collideable and destructible terrain etc. Those differentiators keep DCS from joining the club of every other flight sim which just died a swift death in 2020

[Northstar98]

Just now, SharpeXB said:

The mighty acronym combat, just became the lifeline for DCS.

 

Again, funny how all the other non-combat simulators didn't completely roll over and evaporate...

 

Just now, SharpeXB said:

You guys still don’t get it. The world of flight simulation just became owned by a single giant company which nobody else can compete with. That market is closed.

 

Sounds a bit defeatist...

 

Just now, SharpeXB said:

What makes DCS unique is combat. DCS offers highly accurately military aircraft, systems, weapons, damage models, historical maps, collideable and destructible terrain etc. Those differentiators keep DCS from joining the club of every other flight sim which just died a swift death in 2020

 

Except, they didn't though did they?

[SharpeXB]

12 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

 

I take it those other, civilian flight simulators all evaporated as soon as the one your referring to came up.

 

Spoiler alert: they didn't.

Veering off topic and out of bounds with the rules, but that giant sim only launched last year. In time all those other products will die. Within a few months 33% of the market switched sims. That’s only going to increase. 
 

And the civy market is just a different demographic. Only 20% of those players do combat missions.  

Edited April 23, 2021 by SharpeXB

[shagrat]

16 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Veering off topic and out of bounds with the rules, but that giant sim only launched last year. In time all those other products will die. Within a few months 33% of the market switched sims. That’s only going to increase. 

"Switched" or "installed yet another flightsimulation"?

I mean, for me it was "interesting" to see the limitations of the new technology/engine and I am interested to see how they will cope with low flying helicopters... I am pretty sure there is a certain amount of people, that simply upgraded from the old to the new civilian FlightSim. Others fly specific other simulations and will not "switch" for the reason that prevented them from flying "Flightsimulation old" in the first place...

These generic predictions of the future tend to be not that reliable.

Edited April 23, 2021 by shagrat

[shagrat]

17 hours ago, StevanJ said:

Yes please.. Although we'd have to wait for a 'line of fire' to be implemented.. And then- its probably not gonna be called a 'combat sim' anymore..

Well, not necessarily the water bucket, but fires and smoke can be done through scripting and dropping Maybe a Mk-20 CBU to "simulate" water bombs... Just thinking.

[Mr_sukebe]

We’re definitely getting off topic, but:

- you’ve clearly not tried the CE2 recently. I did and it’s really good now

 

- the only thing that the “other” sim seems to do well is lighting.  The flight models are a mess, runs much worse than DCS.  Covers the whole world, but most of the buildings are generic, just like it’s more obvious competitor.   I do own a copy and simply don’t rate it.  At least the other Civ sim runs well and has choppers

[SharpeXB]

38 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

 

- you’ve clearly not tried the CE2 recently. I did and it’s really good now

Well apparently it’s not good enough to make it out of EA after 3+ years so clearly nobody is buying it. 

41 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

- the only thing that the “other” sim seems to do well is lighting. 

Just lighting huh?  Ok whatever... 

[Baaz]

38 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Well apparently it’s not good enough to make it out of EA after 3+ years so clearly nobody is buying it. 

Just lighting huh?  Ok whatever... 

Currently ED lists 12 modules still in EA (11 actually, as we won't count the Hawk).  Does that mean all 11 are not worth owning?  By that standard, we all would be looking at a very different DCS.

We get it, you don't like the idea of non combat aircraft being in DCS.  However, I think you're being out-voted here.  Seems there's many more people FOR the idea than against.  Personally, I don't see how it hurts you any.  People are free to do what they want with their servers; DCS is afterall a sandbox anyway.  If you don't like how a server is being operated, there's nothing to stop your from flying on another, or make your own.

To repeat, and to stay on topic, I'm all for the OP's wishlist idea.

[Mr_sukebe]

57 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Well apparently it’s not good enough to make it out of EA after 3+ years so clearly nobody is buying it. 

Just lighting huh?  Ok whatever... 

 

Your first point makes no sense, as quite clearly I did buy it.  

[SharpeXB]

56 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

 

Your first point makes no sense, as quite clearly I did buy it.  

I said “nobody” figuratively but obviouly not enough people have bought the CEII to fund its continued development. 

1 hour ago, Baaz said:

Currently ED lists 12 modules still in EA 

It’s understandable that the complex military aircraft take a long time to develop fully. But why does a simple prop plane take longer to develop than the F/A-18C which is nearly done? Answer: because not enough people have purchased the CEII to fund its development. 

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Baaz said:

However, I think you're being out-voted here. 

Start a poll asking how many people want ED to work on firefighting in DCS? Then we’ll see...

1 hour ago, Baaz said:

I don't see how it hurts you any. 

Because if ED put any effort towards this, it would be at the expense of other more important work. If a third party or modder wants to do firefighting simulation that’s fine. 

[G.J.S]

While it’s not something that I would partake in, I can see the attraction. If the host sim could correctly model thermal turbulence (above fire pockets) it would add a wrinkle that the sim pilot would have to be very wary of in trying to douse the base of a fire, or create a break.

If the fire can self propagate - then there is the desire to halt it before it reaches or surrounds urban areas.

 

Could be an interesting twist.

[Baaz]

12 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

 

Because if ED put any effort towards this, it would be at the expense of other more important work. If a third party or modder wants to do firefighting simulation that’s fine. 

You're argument is falling on deaf ears here (speaking only for myself).  At no point does the OP request ED to do anything.  Furthermore, we already have aircraft capable of doing the job as shown in the video posted in this thread.  So what exactly are we asking for, or arguing about; whether someone can 3D draw a basket perhaps, and maybe water falling from an aircraft??  

[SharpeXB]

Maybe DCS should incorporate a farming simulator or bus driving. 

[Baaz]

2 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Maybe DCS should incorporate a farming simulator or bus driving. 

Apparently this thread has moved beyond your ability to make logical arguments.  At any rate, I'm done here.

[Northstar98]

49 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Maybe DCS should incorporate a farming simulator or bus driving. 

 

Yes, because those 2 are clearly in the same league...

 

For the former, well, we already have cows... I imagine someone, somewhere herds their cows using an attack helicopter. Heck! You've just given me an amazing idea for a mission! Thanks!

 

And as for the latter, you can already drive completely unarmed vehicles, so driving a bus isn't really much of a stretch - and for the new buses everything is there apart from a playable position, which can be basically copied over from another vehicle, and the only thing that needs doing is to adjust the camera.

 

Hey you've just given me another idea! Well, it's something I already do with my brother, but now I can make it even sillier! 

Edited April 23, 2021 by Northstar98

[MAXsenna]

Maybe DCS should incorporate a farming simulator or bus driving. 

It will come. Don't you worry!

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[corn322]

5 hours ago, Mr. Big.Biggs said:

why should they waste the resources making Sim city DCS?

Not SimCity, SimCopter.

I am all for expanding the possibilities within the DCS engine.

[SharpeXB]

16 minutes ago, corn322 said:

Not SimCity, SimCopter.

I am all for expanding the possibilities within the DCS engine.

Fixed that for you...

[MAXsenna]

Fixed that for you...

Ahhhh.... Took me a few seconds, but I guess I don't have to tell you that farmers Combat pests everyday, or what firemen do.
But I see your point though.

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[Mr_sukebe]

4 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

I said “nobody” figuratively but obviouly not enough people have bought the CEII to fund its continued development. 

...

 

Is that so.  Go on, do tell on how many they sold, are are you just speculating?

[SharpeXB]

55 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

 

Is that so.  Go on, do tell on how many they sold, are are you just speculating?

Why is a simple module like that in Early Access for 3.5 years? If they sold enough then they would have the funds to compete it. So it’s pretty obvious that it’s not selling. 

[Mr_sukebe]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

Why is a simple module like that in Early Access for 3.5 years? If they sold enough then they would have the funds to compete it. So it’s pretty obvious that it’s not selling. 

 

Let me translate, "you have no idea of how many they're sold".

Seriously, don't bother joining a debating team, it really won't work out well for you.