How to identify a missile is running at me? and How to judge I have successfully evaded?

[lqqfrank]

Quite struggling on the questions as titled. 

Watched couple of training videos of how to maneuver, and from maneuvering point of view I think I am OK. 

But the question is before maneuvering and after maneuvering, it's still quite uncertain moment when I should start maneuver actually? (for example, 3 seconds or 5 seconds or 8 seconds after hearing locked beep? Or if the moves should be based on specific SAM or AA Radar, is there a guide of list?) 

Same uncertainty is after it. How can I relax and make sure I have evaded.

 

[razo+r]

At what point should you maneuver? Obviously, before getting shot. There is no fixed number. If you're out in the open, do something as soon as possible. If you're next to mountains, you might as well wait until the last moment.

 

How do you know you can relax? You can relax when you 1) See the amount of missiles launched and count just as many explosions and 2) Probably nothing is locking you anymore.

[lqqfrank]

10 hours ago, razo+r said:

At what point should you maneuver? Obviously, before getting shot. There is no fixed number. If you're out in the open, do something as soon as possible. If you're next to mountains, you might as well wait until the last moment.

 

How do you know you can relax? You can relax when you 1) See the amount of missiles launched and count just as many explosions and 2) Probably nothing is locking you anymore.

Thanks for the advices. Will do more practices. 

[pete_auau]

launch  some  counter  measure whilst  turning , if  your  using  vr   it  easy  to  check  the  launch  of  sams  etc  to see  if  they  are still  coming  for  you

[QuiGon]

Even if your're running away from the missile out in the open (no mountains), you can relax or turn hot again way before the RWR stops beeping, as the missile will still be locked onto you when it has already run out of sufficent energy to catch you. It's not easy to judge when that moment has arrived, but with enough experience you just know when that is.

 

I really recommend to analyze every engagement with TacView, as this helps a lot to understand missile performance and teaches you how to deal with them.

[diamond26]

In my experience you turn away the moment you hear or see missile launch (M on RWR/HUD). This is usually around 5 nm before it hits you (for AIM-120C)

Rule of thumb you evade for at least 5-7 sec before recommitting.

But as said before, use Tacview and lot's of training to get an idea how and when. 

[Foka]

When you're running from incoming missile do not place it on your six. Place it on 5, fly like that for 5 secs, then on your 7, fly 5 secs, then on 5 and so on. Missile predicts where you will be placed in moment of interceptions and corrects its path with advance. Turning like that will bleed its energy very quickly.

[cw4ogden]

19 hours ago, lqqfrank said:

How can I relax and make sure I have evaded

One aspect of being on a collision course (i.e. a missile tracking you, versus one that has gone dumb) is that objects on collision courses appear to have no relative motion.  This can be useful if you can see the smoke trail.  Is it moving left right up or down, in your windscreen?  A missile with any decent amount of relative motion with respect to you, should be a miss, because that relative motion means you're no longer on collision courses.  

It's also the phenomenon behind near misses, when pilot's often say "I never even saw him".  Anything on a collision course should appear stationary in the windscreen.

Any missile that you can spot it's movement, should be a miss.

[lqqfrank]

Thanks to all above!!! Good advices. 

Still in practicing and "feeling" of the missile. 

[SharpeXB]

I’m surprised picking up the M-2000C again how much better at A2A it is. It’s more agile at missile avoidance and it’s weapons are better. The trouble with evading missiles in the F-18 is how slow it seems to be.