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[Legolasindar]

ronht speak you spanish, with you "utilizes" i think you speak spanish xD. If yes, please send me PM with what the information that makes your idea, my english is bad and not understand very good xD

 

¿ronht hablas castellano?, es que con el utilizes que se te ha colado en una frase me parece que si, enviame un PM y asi me entero bien de que hace esas configuracion, porque con mi ingles no me he enterado muy bien xD, merci.

[V1Rotate]

Is anyone able to do the same or similar for the X52 Pro?? I'm new to the joystick and the SST programming, so not sure how to do it myself. :(

[Legolasindar]

This is a modification of mine get the main idea of this post. I've put in Down H3, which is the button I use in my profile for the trim.

I created two versions, the second is the closest to the original idea for this post. Besides the second is ideal for the Cougars without a dock.

 

All this will be included in the next version of my profile.

 

VERSION 1

 

Without S3, press Down H3, that blocks the cyclical position in the present, it does not matter that move the joystick, it will not move the cyclical, to unlock, press again H3 Down.

With S3, if we press Down H3, is trim. If we want to reset the trim, we have to press and hold the second half.

BTN H3D /I KD(X3) DLY(200) KU(X3)

/O /T KD(X1) DLY(200) KU(X1) /T KD(X2) DLY(200) KU(X2)

 

DEF X4 DELAY(500) H3D AND S3

DEF X5 NOT H3D AND X1

DEF X6 NOT H3D AND X2

DEF X7 NOT H3D AND X3

 

BTN X4 Axis_Reset

BTN X5 Axis_Lock

BTN X6 Axis_Unlock

BTN X7 Axis_Trim

 

VERSION 2

 

Without S3, press Down H3, that blocks the cyclical position in the present, it does not matter that move the joystick, it will not move the cyclical, to unlock, press again H3 Down.

With S3, if we press and hold Down H3, the joystick is trim and locks, so we can focus our hands, and release the button, which cancels the blockade but keeps trim, if we want to reset the trim, we have to press and hold half a second.

BTN H3D/I

/O/TKD(X1)DLY(200)KU(X1)/TKD(X2)DLY(200)KU(X2)

 

DEF X4DELAY(500) H3D AND S3

DEF X5NOT H3D AND X1

DEF X6NOT H3D AND X2

DEF X7 H3D AND S3

 

BTN X4 Axis_Reset

BTN X5 Axis_Lock

BTN X6 Axis_Unlock

BTN X7/P Axis_Lock Axis_Trim /R Axis_Unlock

 

This should go in the macro file. TMM in Version 1 and 2

 

Axis_Trim = TRIM(JOYSTICK, TO_CURRENT)

Axis_Reset = TRIM(JOYSTICK, 0)

Axis_Lock = LOCK(JOYSTICK, LASTVALUE)

Axis_Unlock = UNLOCK(JOYSTICK)

Edited November 19, 2008 by Legolasindar

[multiviper]

@Legolasindar I have been using your cougar profile and i like it I think i maybe using the first version you posted, is this information going to be in the second version or the third version of your profile?

[Amraam]

Sorry I'm still trying to get my head around all of this.

 

Is this FOXY code meant to be used instead of the in game trimmer (t)?

[Legolasindar]

@Legolasindar I have been using your cougar profile and i like it I think i maybe using the first version you posted, is this information going to be in the second version or the third version of your profile?

 

I will include this in my profile of the Cougar. But I think that if, all add to the code, with these variables optional between REM, or whether to publish two versions of my profile.

 

Is this FOXY code meant to be used instead of the in game trimmer (t)?

 

It can be used as a substitute for the trimming of the simulator.

Also in the next version of my profile can be used to trim the two systems, which affects the BS, and the Cougar's own.

Edited November 19, 2008 by Legolasindar

[multiviper]

I will include this in my profile of the Cougar. But I think that if, all add to the code, with these variables optional between REM, or whether to publish two versions of my profile.

 

 

 

It can be used as a substitute for the trimming of the simulator.

Also in the next version of my profile can be used to trim the two systems, which affects the BS, and the Cougar's own.

 

 

publish 2 :)

[petherf]

And in the meantime ,where to put it in the foxy file?

 

Sorry bad English

[Legolasindar]

Instructions for installation is in text files attach in my profile.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=33583

 

Place the files in the Program Files\Foxy\Files folder

[wed]

This manipulations will interfere with ingame trim and autopilot.

So we need to disable(not use) ingame autopilot if we want to use Cougar internal trimming. But if we dont have rudders connected to cougar directly thru gameport(like me, examle, I have usb rudder) we cant trim them. If we have Cougar with rudders using this profile give as little bit comfortable trimming.

Sinse ED make control logic adapted to force feedback manipulators it will be unrealistic and discomfortable on all sticks without FFB.

Edited November 23, 2008 by wed

[Legolasindar]

I not have problems with cougar and BS trimmings crossed. AP no operate over Axis. If you look Axis when AP is On, axis not move, but Ka50 yes.

[leafer]

Just curious, did TM ever release 64 bit driver for the Cougar?

[Feuerfalke]

Drivers are available for Vista32 and 64bit:

 

http://ts.thrustmaster.com/eng/index.php?pg=view_files&gid=1&fid=3&pid=50&cid=1

 

 

They have yet to release a final, but the beta works great!

[Legolasindar]

http://ts.thrustmaster.com/eng/index.php?pg=view_files&gid=1&fid=3&pid=50&cid=1

 

EDIT: Jajaja, i post 3 min later you :P

[leafer]

Ahh...finally, a reason to save up for the Cougar instead of the CH. Thanks for the info.

[JG27_Arklight]

Ok - there has been some discussion about the trim system used on the KA-50 in the simulation which takes a bit of getting used to. The reason is in the actual KA 50 the pilot is able to trim the cyclic to any position and leave the stick in that position. In the simulation, the "Trimmer" simulates this as best it can, however, some porpoising of the heli's attitude results because your joystick wants to naturally re-center.

 

Now having said all that, if you have a Cougar joystick and you really want to see how the KA-50 should fly, there is a way to simulate the real KA 50 cyclic in Black Shark to respond very realisticly with the Cougar Foxy software. Simply enter this statement in your profile:

 

BTN S4/I TRIM (JOYSTICK, 0)

/O/PLOCK(JOYSTICK, LASTVALUE)TRIM(JOYSTICK, TO_CURRENT)

/RUNLOCK(JOYSTICK)

 

What it does is allow the Cougar axis to be reset to it's last axis value when you hold the S4 button and recenter the cyclic. This allows you to re-center the Cougar joystick without changing the aircrafts attitude or get the porpoising that you see using just the Trimmer.

 

I can't say enough good things about what I've discovered with this simulation. I is MORE than worth the wait!

 

Ron

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but when you say, "enter this statement in your profile"...what do you mean? How do I go about doing this? I have not used my Cougar in a LONG time.

 

Thanks!

[Maverick-GER-]

You need to use your Foxy program for your cougar.

Foxy is the program you can make different profiles for your cougar.

What you do with it, you set a command to a joystick button in your joystick file and in your macro file you set a keyboard button to a command.

 

(the above statement would have to be in your joystick file)

 

if you need any more help with this , just drop me a pm and we can work on it

[Pizzicato]

Hi guys,

 

I'm having trouble getting the Cougar script to work. :(

 

I copy/pasted it into my *.tmj file and got

 

ERROR 2001: Unknown button name: S4/I

I quickly figured out that this was because it seems like some spaces had gone missing from the script.

 

Having added all of the relevant spaces, I then got

 

ERROR 2020: Unknown key press in a button statement TO_CURRENT

I'm pretty sure that my firmware version is up to date (3.06). Any ideas what I could be doing wrong? Edited December 16, 2008 by Pizzicato
Figured it out! There was one last space that I needed to add. Right - I'm off to try this now. Thanks guys! :)

[Legolasindar]

Use this:

 

BTN S4 /I TRIM(JOYSTICK, 0)

/O /P LOCK(JOYSTICK, LASTVALUE) TRIM(JOYSTICK, TO_CURRENT) /R UNLOCK(JOYSTICK)

[Pizzicato]

Oh... my... God...

 

That fix is the single best thing to happen to my fight simming experience in years. After playing around with it in Black Shark and suddenly being able to fly as smooth as silk, I went back and tried the same thing in Flaming Cliffs and Il-2 1946.

 

Unbelievable. Just the most incredible sense of smooth, precise control. I could pinpoint strafe armour in the Su-25T and pick off chunks of 109s at 300m.

 

WHY DID NO ONE EVER TELL ME ABOUT THIS BEFORE!!! :D

[Lange_666]

BTN S4/I TRIM (JOYSTICK, 0)

/O/PLOCK(JOYSTICK, LASTVALUE)TRIM(JOYSTICK, TO_CURRENT)

/RUNLOCK(JOYSTICK)

 

What it does is allow the Cougar axis to be reset to it's last axis value when you hold the S4 button and recenter the cyclic. This allows you to re-center the Cougar joystick without changing the aircrafts attitude or get the porpoising that you see using just the Trimmer.

 

Ron

 

This is one of the best solutions to the "re-center the controls after trimming" bullshit i have come across.

 

Rant on:

 

Bullshit yes because the trim only works like the real thing on ForceFeedback sticks. The way the trim button was implemented (re-center your controls in the next half second after the trim) for sticks/HOTAS combo's without ForceFeedback is a bit of a letdown i think simply because it unnatural to re-center the controls after trimming, besides, a real Ka-50 doesn't do that either and because, if you still have some imput after the trim (controls not yet in center after that 0,5 of a second) you have a problem which you need to correct again. A heavy Cougar with his heavy springs centers a lot differently then a soft Saitek if you know what i mean.

 

Rant off:

 

But since we have to deal with it, Ron's solution is one of the best i've seen so far but it does not deal with rudder input if you have a separate rudder (not attched through a gameport on the Cougar).

 

Is there a way to trim a "detached" rudder without you re-trim the cyclic again?

 

Or can Legolasindar solution add something? I just thought of that right now, one can block the cyclic's input via the H3D, then trim the rudder and then unblock the stick again via H3D so the cyclic does not move anymore?

[Legolasindar]

My English is very bad, and so long paragraphs in English, it is difficult to understand me well.

I think I have understood you talking about three different points.

 

1. The need to recenter after the trim.

2. The 0.5 second margin.

3. Hotas separated from the pedals.

 

If not, please correct me, but explain in a simple way for my limited english.

 

1. The trim of real Ka50, what it does is lock the cyclic, you must remove the functions of the trim programing to simulate this, and replace /P /R by /T, that is putting this:

 

BTN S4 /I

/O /T LOCK(JOYSTICK, LASTVALUE) /T UNLOCK(JOYSTICK)

 

or in this way, without /T:

 

BTN S4 /I UNLOCK(JOYSTICK)

/O LOCK(JOYSTICK, LASTVALUE)

 

Now S4 freeze the axes of the cyclical and can release the joystick, but I do not trimmer.

 

2. The 0.5 seconds, just needed in my profile, but it may lengthen, we can put them to 1 second, 1.5 seconds or we want. It also could eliminate that constraint, but would need to redo all that syntaxis to another style.

 

3. If you have some pedals that are not of TM and are not connected to the Cougar, no solution possible through Foxy directly. It would need to program the pedals to a combination of keys, and Cougar schedule for the same combination, but all this depends on the possibilities offered by the programming of the pedals.

 

Other posible solution is use program for join all devices in one, exist various options. And if you use CH Pro Pedals USB, exist diagram for use CH Pro Pedals USB with Gameport of Cougar.

Edited December 20, 2008 by Legolasindar

[Lange_666]

3. If you have some pedals that are not of TM and are not connected to the Cougar, no solution possible through Foxy directly. It would need to program the pedals to a combination of keys, and Cougar schedule for the same combination, but all this depends on the possibilities offered by the programming of the pedals.

 

Other posible solution is use program for join all devices in one, exist various options. And if you use CH Pro Pedals USB, exist diagram for use CH Pro Pedals USB with Gameport of Cougar.

 

That's my problem and i do not have normal pedals, i use a set of race pedals from a steering wheel). So no solution atm... :joystick:

[Legolasindar]

You con join all devices in one with 3ª party programs. For example if you use Cougar Devide 1 and Rudders Device 2, with this programs you can join all in Device 1.

You have one device with axis including rudder axis. You only need in foxy program correct axis rudder for Axis Hotas, I think, i not used this programs.

[Lange_666]

Do you have links to these because it's the first time i read that something like that exist. Would like to try it out...:)