reported Reflector gun sight out of whack.

[Aussie Pilot]

Not sure if this is a bug or a problem but I thought here would be a good place to start. I can't find info about this elsewhere.

When I move in behind the gun sight the reflector target is never in the middle. I always only have the bottom half showing and it's also slightly off centre. It's in the same position with trackir on or not and whether I zoom out or not. Picture attached. I've seen a video by Iain Christie on how to do bombing runs in the Mosquito and his sight looks perfect.

I've also tried editing the eye point line (  EyePoint = {0.050, 0.100, 0.000}, ) in the Views.Lua file in the Mosquito folder. I was able to move the view forward and back, plus sideways but no matter the value changes I made for up and down, there was no change, which is the change that is needed. The first number group is forward/back, the last group was sideways, so it makes sense that the middle group of numbers would be up/down, but nothing changed.

The only work around I can do is when trackir is on, at mission start I move behind target and then raise myself out of my seat, hit F12 to recentre my trackir view. Then I move back away from target and fly. Then when I need my target I move back behind it and it remembers my pre-set position. I wouldn't have thought I'd have to do this to get the correct view.

 

Anyone have any ideas, is there a way of adjusting the eyepoint view up and down?

Will this be fixed once the option the raise/lower the pilot seat becomes usable?

Cheers, Carl.

[HotTom]

Go to settings on your main screen (the one with all the module avatars along the bottom). Settings/Controls/View Cockpit. There should be a dropdown menu with, move up, move down, move left, move right. What that really moves is your seat position. You can link the commands to switches or the keyboard.

Hope that helps.

HT

 

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by HotTom

[Art-J]

@Aussie Pilot Have you played with moving default view and saving it as a custom Snapview? If so, the gunsight view will get a bit messed up because camera shift caused by turning the gunsight on seems to be a fixed value relative to non-gunsight view (so if you tinkered with the latter, the former will change as well).

[Aussie Pilot]

Thanks for the replies guys. Art, I didn't change anything with the views but I have now. HotTom I didn't know about those keys so I tried it and it's a bit of mucking around and then when you leave and return to that position again you have to do it all over again.

BUT I did however find the correct line to adjust in the View.Lua file. It was the "Cockpit Local point". I changed some of the values there and got it looking good. It works all the time now with very little change in the cockpit at all, Here's a new picture.

[NineLine]

Are you using any sort of head tracking?

[Aussie Pilot]

10 hours ago, NineLine said:

Are you using any sort of head tracking?

Yes, trackir 5. But it's the same whether I have it turned on or not. 

A few other guys I fly with online have the same issue.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Aussie Pilot

[HotTom]

I had the same problem. Linked the cockpit camera settings to my numpad (2,4,6,8) and it is simple to adjust with a couple of taps. As Aussie Pilot stated, it doesn't save the settings but a couple taps puts it right.

Aussie Pilot, glad you got it sorted!

Edited October 26, 2021 by HotTom

[Basco1]

+1

Agreed....the reflector gunsight in the default view (when you've moved in to view it)is off,it's too high out of the actual sight,as Aussie pilot's first picture shows,we need ED to alter it so that the default view(once you've moved in to view it) is sighted correctly,moved down.....like you can see in Aussie Pilot's second picture,that view is perfect.

I'm also using Trackir 5 here too.

 

EDIT: It would be interesting to know if VR pilot's are having the same issues......therefore my apologies in asking ED to correct this before we have the VR pilot's take on this.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Basco1

[MAXsenna]

I had the same problem. Linked the cockpit camera settings to my numpad (2,4,6,8) and it is simple to adjust with a couple of taps. As Aussie Pilot stated, it doesn't save the settings but a couple taps puts it right.
Aussie Pilot, glad you got it sorted!

Unless you know this already. You can save with RAlt+0, or the corresponding NumX for the snapview.
Just make sure you turn head tracking off first, or you will get strange results.

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[Basco1]

1 minute ago, MAXsenna said:

Unless you know this already. You can save with RAlt+0, or the corresponding NumX for the snapview.
Just make sure you turn head tracking off first, or you will get strange results.

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I personally was'nt aware of this Max.....much appreciated old chap 

[NineLine]

Ok, let me discuss with the guys and see if there is a reason for the default view

 

[Art-J]

@NineLine If you jump into cockpit and just look straight down (even in 2D, without TrackIR or anything), you will notice that virtual "head" is not in line with the middle of the seat (pilot seems to have left scoliosis ). Same for navigator's seat (but he suffers from right scoliosis!). It's not much, but why not tweak it a little bit?

[NineLine]

Actually the view for the pilot is pretty dead center to the stick, the seat compared to the stick is a little off, I assume like in the real thing so give it that feel. I don't think its a huge issue, wouldnt really impact anyone flying in any way, but I have reported the gun sight view now. 

[Aussie Pilot]

10 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Unless you know this already. You can save with RAlt+0, or the corresponding NumX for the snapview.
Just make sure you turn head tracking off first, or you will get strange results.

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Hi Max, is this just for VR or for normal viewing as well. (no VR) ? Also, does is save it permanently or do you have to reset it with each flight or every time you move seat position?

[MAXsenna]

Hi Max, is this just for VR or for normal viewing as well. (no VR) ? Also, does is save it permanently or do you have to reset it with each flight or every time you move seat position?

I don't use VR currently, so that I don't know.
Not really sure what you mean by moving seat position. It saves your head/eye position for that module, permanently. So no need to do it again the next time you enter that module.

EDIT: By seat position. Do you mean crew seat/position. At least in the Mi-8, the view can be saved differently for each of the 3 crew members. Haven't tested for all the snapviews, but I'd assume it.


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[Aussie Pilot]

20 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

I don't use VR currently, so that I don't know.
Not really sure what you mean by moving seat position. It saves your head/eye position for that module, permanently. So no need to do it again the next time you enter that module.

EDIT: By seat position. Do you mean crew seat/position. At least in the Mi-8, the view can be saved differently for each of the 3 crew members. Haven't tested for all the snapviews, but I'd assume it.


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I meant swapping between crew seats but also in the Mosquito when you move from normal flight position of the pilot to behind the reticule/target position of the pilot. going back and forth in that view mainly. Also I use trackir, will that make a difference?

[MAXsenna]

I meant swapping between crew seats but also in the Mosquito when you move from normal flight position of the pilot to behind the reticule/target position of the pilot. going back and forth in that view mainly. Also I use trackir, will that make a difference?

Right, clear now. No, if you change the head position for seat 1, and hop to 2 and back to 1. It will stay the same. If not somethings off. And if you do save it, it will be the same next time you join.
I re-read your OP and the thread. And I'm not experiencing what you do. Strange.
I always tune my head position in a new module, so I did for the Mossie (TrackIR pauses/off while doing it), and saved it.
So I just lean over if I want to use the sight. I have turned off the setting in specials, so it doesn't move position when I turn on the sight.
I'm sorry this is probably not what you want to hear though, but I don't have any more input.
I'm using cheap alternative TrackIR solution with Opentrack, and have really tuned the curves.

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[Aussie Pilot]

Ok, thank you Max, I will look into this option also, some of the other guys did mention you can save a view, but we didn't know how.

[MAXsenna]

Ok, thank you Max, I will look into this option also, some of the other guys did mention you can save a view, but we didn't know how.

Try this then.
Turn off TrackIR, enter the Mossie. Press Num5 on keypad, just to make sure it's centered, and the. Num Enter to reset zoom level.
Then use RCtrl + RShft + Num/ or Num * to zoom in/out, and RCtrl + RShft + Num8 and Num2 for the vertical. If you mess up. Use Num5 and Num Enter to reset and try again.
When you're happy, save with RAlt + Num0.
Best of luck!

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[Art-J]

^ I believe combos with Num / and * are for moving camera forward and aft rather than zooming (as in changing FoV). Also, similar combo with Num 4 and 6 moves camera left and right. Other thatn that, that's exactly how it's done. @Aussie - if you intend to use the automatic camera shift to gunsight option anyway, keep in mind that lateral shift distance seems to be fixed value, so if you tinker with gunsight vew, it will affect non-gunsight one as well (and vice-versa). Proceed with caution.

[MAXsenna]

^ I believe combos with Num / and * are for moving camera forward and aft rather than zooming (as in changing FoV). Also, similar combo with Num 4 and 6 moves camera left and right. Other thatn that, that's exactly how it's done.@Aussie - if you intend to use the automatic camera shift to gunsight option anyway, keep in mind that lateral shift distance seems to be fixed value, so if you tinker with gunsight vew, it will affect non-gunsight one as well (and vice-versa). Proceed with caution.

You're right. I wrote zoom and left out 4/6 for simplicity.
And I agree completely. Proceed with caution before saving!
Though it's just a matter of deleting one file that won't affect anything else, because it seems this is the only module it had been necessary to change anything for him, though that might change now.

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[Aussie Pilot]

Thanks guys. I'm only working on the one file only in the Mosquito folder. I also kept an original copy as well.

I didn't change the forward/back position. I just moved the R/L setting to the right a fraction to centre the target correctly, then lowered the Up/Down to bring the cross hair in the middle of the reflector sight. When you move back to the original pilot position the difference is hardly noticeable. 

[Lobo LXII]

Thanks for figuring out a problem I didn't even know I had!

I did as Aussie Pilot did above, saved it with RAlt + Num0.,works like a Champ!

Added benefit, My head doesn't poke thru the canopy when I look over my left shoulder now.(TrackIR)

 

[MurrayCod]

Thanks for the solution to the sighting issue, and such an easy one too.  So much happier now the gunsight is centred, and I was plenty happy with the Mossie before too.