correct as is Cannot input GRID (MGRS) in F18

[Atom1285]

Hi,

so when I try to input the GRID in the F18, I click on the GRID button on the ufc, the grid page shows up on the right screen and when I move the TDC to a grid I want to select, I press TDC depress, the line indicating the grid was selected shows up for a split second and then dissapears again.

After that when I try to input the MGRS it doest let me to input the numbers.

I was in the Caucasus instant action "Ready on the ramp"

I am including a track.

Thanks

bug.trk

So, hey. I did a bit of testing and it seems the issue was in me using a ministick for slewing the TDC and when I depressed it, it also moved a bit which cancelled the selecting of the grid.

Should this be happening?

I fixed it by just applying a big deadzone and/or using a different button for TDC Depress.

[Swift.]

Oh yes! You finally managed to reproduce this?

I've been having this bug for ages without being able to report it

I also thought it was a TDC slew deadzone issue, but it presented when just pressing enter on the keyboard and also with a huge deadzone to the TDC axis

 

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by Swiftwin9s

[Atom1285]

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but it presented when just pressing enter on the keyboard and also with a huge deadzone to the TDC axis

Weird, that doesnt make any sense. Maybe it is a different bug, I would guess there is a issue with the ministicks in general

[Fisherman82]

This is a wierd one, I never had an issue, I have one of those replacement PS3 type ministicks in my Warthog throttle, however I dont have the TDC depress on that ministick but instead the grey one on the right side of flightstick instead. 

[Atom1285]

1 minute ago, Fisherman82 said:

This is a wierd one, I never had an issue, I have one of those replacement PS3 type ministicks in my Warthog throttle, however I dont have the TDC depress on that ministick but instead the grey one on the right side of flightstick instead. 

Yeah it depends, on my X56 it is very hard to depress the stick without moving it accidentally.

[rob10]

It's a known limitation (not sure if I'd call it a bug or not).  You need a small (like 1 or 2 IIRC) deadzone on your mini-stick for consistent usage (even if you're not using the depress directly on it).  Even a tiny input (*which may not show up as movement on screen*) from the mini-stick causes this issue.  I really found this with the TM replacement mini-stick.  If you're trying to press the mini-stick, it's a challenge because you are almost always going to move it at least a tiny bit and cause it to not catch so you may need a bigger deadzone.

[Swift.]

2 hours ago, rob10 said:

It's a known limitation (not sure if I'd call it a bug or not).  You need a small (like 1 or 2 IIRC) deadzone on your mini-stick for consistent usage (even if you're not using the depress directly on it).  Even a tiny input (*which may not show up as movement on screen*) from the mini-stick causes this issue.  I really found this with the TM replacement mini-stick.  If you're trying to press the mini-stick, it's a challenge because you are almost always going to move it at least a tiny bit and cause it to not catch so you may need a bigger deadzone.

I'd just like to isolate that there is a separate issue going around, MGRS wont accept the GZID even when you have a deadzone of something crazy like 20 and use a separate button for the TDC depress. Its not a controller issue, there is just a bug with the MGRS entry.

[Frederf]

It might happen sometimes. Is this a track showing GZ select?

F18 GZ TDC.trk

[rob10]

2 hours ago, Swiftwin9s said:

I'd just like to isolate that there is a separate issue going around, MGRS wont accept the GZID even when you have a deadzone of something crazy like 20 and use a separate button for the TDC depress. Its not a controller issue, there is just a bug with the MGRS entry.

Interesting.  I can't recreate that and I usually use another joystick button for TDC depress (rather than the ministick press).  Checked and my deadzone is 2.  On my Winwing Orion I can actually use the ministick press no problem (seems to press cleanly, without moving).

What button/software are you using for the TDC depress?  Any chance that the signal is too short (not sure that could even be a thing on a keyboard )?  I know I've had that issue with getting consistent presses on the UFC using a button box and Autohotkey until I set the hold time for the press to 50 milliseconds.

[Swift.]

34 minutes ago, rob10 said:

Interesting.  I can't recreate that and I usually use another joystick button for TDC depress (rather than the ministick press).  Checked and my deadzone is 2.  On my Winwing Orion I can actually use the ministick press no problem (seems to press cleanly, without moving).

What button/software are you using for the TDC depress?  Any chance that the signal is too short (not sure that could even be a thing on a keyboard )?  I know I've had that issue with getting consistent presses on the UFC using a button box and Autohotkey until I set the hold time for the press to 50 milliseconds.

I normally use a winwing taurus, but to isolate the axis from the press I just used my keyboard. If you look at the video I posted above you will see what I am seeing. The GZID is being selected but promptly deselected. What's most interesting is that a few minutes of spamming like shown in the video will eventually make it stick, and then after that it works fine for all the other waypoints.

[Foka]

Did you try not spamming the key, but pressing it for ~half a second?

[Swift.]

4 hours ago, Foka said:

Did you try not spamming the key, but pressing it for ~half a second?

As the first thing done. Like I said, it's fine in single player

[rob10]

I was going to say it really has the same symptoms as when it's getting a small input from the ministick, but if it works in SP and not in MP that's just weird.  My tests were in SP, didn't realize you were only having the issue in MP.

[Swift.]

40 minutes ago, rob10 said:

I was going to say it really has the same symptoms as when it's getting a small input from the ministick, but if it works in SP and not in MP that's just weird.  My tests were in SP, didn't realize you were only having the issue in MP.

Needless to say its a PITA to pin it down, hence why I haven't actually reported it yet.

[BIGNEWY]

So just to update this thread, as the first posts mentions I only see the issue if I am using an axis to slew the TDC combined with a switch, like the warthog throttle mini stick / button. 

As soon as I set a dead zone on the axis I dont have any issues. 

So as far as I can tell it is due to the axis moving while depressing the TDC. 

[Falken2]

Same problem with my TM Warthog. Set a dead zone to 20 on the TDC axis, and it becomes doable to designe a box (almost as easy as AA refuel, requires as much calm). 20% dead zone seems to make the TDC axis usable for other purposes. I will try to adjust the best value. I think Eagle Dynamics should address  this issue.

[Foka]

Don't set so high dead zone, but modify curves.

[Swift.]

1 hour ago, Foka said:

Don't set so high dead zone, but modify curves.

That wont solve the problem. Any input will cause the GSID to drop, even if you have a curve of 100 and a saturation of 1%, it will still happen.

[Foka]

I use TM WH and have no issues with slewing or selecting grid. Never had.

[Buhli]

I have the same on my WH.

Sometime it works once, the second attempt each time failed.

After a lot of frustration i tried to use the arrow-keys and the Enter-key for it. Mostly it works, but sometime it is the same as with the ministick.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Buhli

[Saguanay]

I have the TM 16000.   Re-mapped the ENTER key for use with the grid selection and it works.   TDC depress still won't work and moved the dead zone to 9.  No change.

 

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by Saguanay
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