Pilot looks like Robin Olds + Eye and face animations

carss · January 30, 2022

I'd like to point out the Phantom pilot in the teaser looks like Robin Olds, i'm guessing this was done on purpose? Second the eye and face animations which like absolutely unheard of in something like DCS, is that how it'll actually be like in the game? Is it just for effects or would they also have a practical purpose?

I have to say it just looks like ungodly levels of realism!

Nexus-6 · January 30, 2022

It does indeed say "Col. Olds" on the helmet, though I very much doubt the pilot model will look quite that good.

Boosterdog · January 30, 2022

2 hours ago, carss said:

I'd like to point out the Phantom pilot in the teaser looks like Robin Olds, i'm guessing this was done on purpose? Second the eye and face animations which like absolutely unheard of in something like DCS, is that how it'll actually be like in the game? Is it just for effects or would they also have a practical purpose?

I have to say it just looks like ungodly levels of realism!

21 minutes ago, Nexus-6 said:

It does indeed say "Col. Olds" on the helmet, though I very much doubt the pilot model will look quite that good.

I think your're both seeing things you want to see......

Kilo · January 30, 2022

3 hours ago, Boosterdog said:

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It does indeed say "Col. Olds" on the helmet, though I very much doubt the pilot model will look quite that good.

I think your're both seeing things you want to see......

That was comfirmed, though...

Rick50 · January 31, 2022

Hehehe!

Well, it's appropriate, considering the history!

He looked to me to be the guy that could stop a barfight just by walking in the room...

War_Pig · January 31, 2022

16 minutes ago, Rick50 said:

He looked to me to be the guy that could stop a barfight just by walking in the room...

...or start one!

Boosterdog · January 31, 2022

7 hours ago, Kilo said:

That was comfirmed, though...

What was confirmed?

Snappy · January 31, 2022

1 hour ago, Boosterdog said:

What was confirmed?

The „Olds“ Name on the helmet.

Cobra confirmed in the hoggit announcement thread.

Still wouldn’t read too much into it, as far as I understand it, the trailer scene was not necessarily in-game footage, especially the cockpit/ pilot shots.

Edited January 31, 2022 by Snappy

Boosterdog · January 31, 2022

19 minutes ago, Snappy said:

The „Olds“ Name on the helmet.

Cobra confirmed in the hoggit announcement thread.

Thanks - found it. Its still not what I see on the Helmet in lettering of spacing. I still see "Oaks" or something like (but now Im seeing what I want to see I guess :-))

At this point though, I have seen no official reference to the pilot "model" in any thread despite a number of community references to it. Cobra's been pretty quick to comment on other aspects (such as the Olds name). I remain confused/unconvinced as to whether this is a HB/DCS thing or footage of an actor/external 3rd party render (like the heatblast from the cans currently are).

I hope Im wrong though Im not sure why such levels of details would be a thing...hopefully HB may say more on this soon.

streakeagle · February 1, 2022

Ther real deal:

Clear as day to me, even more so with a color filter. The "l" has glare or a paint chip that breaks up the line. the "d" is fairly clear. The color filter appears to show a hint of the "s".

LanceCriminal86 · February 1, 2022

20 hours ago, Boosterdog said:

Thanks - found it. Its still not what I see on the Helmet in lettering of spacing. I still see "Oaks" or something like (but now Im seeing what I want to see I guess :-))

At this point though, I have seen no official reference to the pilot "model" in any thread despite a number of community references to it. Cobra's been pretty quick to comment on other aspects (such as the Olds name). I remain confused/unconvinced as to whether this is a HB/DCS thing or footage of an actor/external 3rd party render (like the heatblast from the cans currently are).

I hope Im wrong though Im not sure why such levels of details would be a thing...hopefully HB may say more on this soon.

I provided Cobra photos of Col Olds' helmet (on request) from the USAF Museum and in use (courtesy @hoglan83 on IG) with no context provided for its use. So yes, it is Col Olds' HGU-2 helmet.

And I don't believe that was necessarily the upcoming external model or pilot model. But the pilot model will be of that pattern, USAF flight gear with HGU-2 helmet and original straight visor housing, with MBU-5 mask as that's accurate for the late VN and into the 70s. It may be that the models themselves are simply not ready for a sizzle reel but per Cobra's own commentary they decided it was time to lift the sheet because it probably would have been hard to keep it a secret much longer. Who knows, maybe it partly is the external model and pilot gear.

Boosterdog · February 1, 2022

7 hours ago, streakeagle said:

Ther real deal:

Clear as day to me, even more so with a color filter. The "l" has glare or a paint chip that breaks up the line. the "d" is fairly clear. The color filter appears to show a hint of the "s".

Well now you put it that way.... A paint chip hadnt even entered my tiny mind!. Clear as day to me now as well. Thanks.

I remain in the looby about the pilot.

Rick50 · February 2, 2022

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Robin Olds[2] (July 14, 1922 – June 14, 2007) was an American fighter pilot and general officer in the United States Air Force. He was a "triple ace", with a combined total of 17 victories in World War II and the Vietnam War. He retired in 1973 as a brigadier general, after 30 years of service.

Olds epitomized the youthful World War II fighter pilot. He remained in the service as it became the United States Air Force, despite often being at odds with its leadership, and was one of its pioneer jet pilots. Rising to the command of two fighter wings, Olds is regarded among aviation historians, and his peers, as the best wing commander of the Vietnam War, for both his air-fighting skills, and his reputation as a combat leader.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Olds

What a career!

I can only imagine what he was like as a leader, but you don't get to experience all that without learning some deep lessons on how to lead well !

Any book recomendations you guys have about him?

upyr1 · February 2, 2022

I'm thinking since it looks like HB might be modeling the pilot as Robin Olds at least for the trailer is there a chance we could get Chapie in the DCS as well?

Nexus-6 · February 2, 2022

23 hours ago, Rick50 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Olds

What a career!

I can only imagine what he was like as a leader, but you don't get to experience all that without learning some deep lessons on how to lead well !

Any book recomendations you guys have about him?

https://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Pilot-Memoirs-Legendary-Robin/dp/0312569513/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1HZCEL05SDML8&keywords=fighter+pilot+book+about+robin+olds&qid=1643844194&sprefix=fighter+pilot+b%2Caps%2C100&sr=8-3

Rick50 · February 3, 2022

7 hours ago, upyr1 said:

I'm thinking since it looks like HB might be modeling the pilot as Robin Olds at least for the trailer is there a chance we could get Chapie in the DCS as well?

I was not aware of this gentleman warrior and had to look him up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_James_Jr.

...and then I recalled reading of him a little from Robin's page!! And Thailand, and Bolo...

Rick50 · February 3, 2022

Thank you my replicant friend!

I will order that book right away

Nexus-6 · February 3, 2022

15 minutes ago, Rick50 said:

Thank you my replicant friend!

I will order that book right away

You're welcome. I just finished the book myself a few days ago. He was a hell of a man.

And kudos to you for picking up on the reference. Blade Runner is a timeless classic.

IronMike · February 3, 2022

It is Robin Olds, as we wanted to pay respect to this great aviator, and while both face and eyes were created for cinematic purposes in the trailer, it is a direction we want go towards, this means: it will not look like this in the game at first, and likely for quite a while, but we want to try and approach this level of realism eventually. How far we can take this remains to be seen, the emphasis for now is on try, and most certainly will not happen around release.

Nodak · February 3, 2022

Give them a blink model and and the world will come crawling to order.

LooseSeal · February 3, 2022

21 minutes ago, Nodak said:

Give them a blink model and and the world will come crawling to order.

I demand animations for beads of sweat

Rick50 · February 3, 2022

scuff marks and dust on the tires !! and grunting while under heavy G's !!

And Mk.2 Mod.1 Moustache, type Epic....

( yea I'm being silly! we all know the major items we want, like realistic flight behaviors, real world performance as a real operator/SME would expect from the real item, systems accurate, and such)

upyr1 · February 3, 2022

7 hours ago, IronMike said:

It is Robin Olds, as we wanted to pay respect to this great aviator, and while both face and eyes were created for cinematic purposes in the trailer, it is a direction we want go towards, this means: it will not look like this in the game at first, and likely for quite a while, but we want to try and approach this level of realism eventually. How far we can take this remains to be seen, the emphasis for now is on try, and most certainly will not happen around release.

it's a cool video

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