Alt+Enter does not enter full screen; stuck in windowed

[Dr Zaius]

So is that it now for full screen, all we have is a boarderlees window?

If so whats the best option for a smooth head tracker inputs, I currently use TrackIR5 and wonder if a something like the Tobii eyetracker would be a better experience.

 

[scommander2]

11 minutes ago, Dr Zaius said:

So is that it now for full screen, all we have is a boarderlees window?

As long as the DCS screen resolution is the same as monitor and it is the borderless window.

[Dr Zaius]

Working as intended, thank you for your support, ticket closed

[Hiob]

1 hour ago, Dr Zaius said:

wonder if a something like the Tobii eyetracker would be a better experience.

 

only in regards to not having the need for a device stuck to your head*. The tracking itself is not better. Or smoother.

(Which would be a HUGE incentive for me to use it. Unfortunately it is sub par to TrackIR in every other regard. For context - I'm currently actively using both. Albeit Tobii only for MSFS. For DCS I prefer TrackIR)

Edited October 8, 2024 by Hiob

[Dr Zaius]

2 hours ago, Hiob said:

only in regards to not having the need for a device stuck to your head*. The tracking itself is not better. Or smoother.

(Which would be a HUGE incentive for me to use it. Unfortunately it is sub par to TrackIR in every other regard. For context - I'm currently actively using both. Albeit Tobii only for MSFS. For DCS I prefer TrackIR)

 

That stinks, I doubt webcams are any smoother either

Edited October 8, 2024 by Dr Zaius

[Hiob]

1 hour ago, Dr Zaius said:

That stinks, I doubt webcams are any smoother either

 

That is a rabbit hole we better not enter in this thread here. Wether or not TrackIR is smooth (I happen to think so) or not and what the contributing factors are. The short form answer is the higher the FPS are, the better.

[Boosterdog]

Which patch killed the work around? 

[silverdevil]

21 minutes ago, Boosterdog said:

Which patch killed the work around? 

  

On 2/1/2022 at 5:26 AM, Nealius said:

As of DCS 2.7.10.18996

from the first post of this topic in 2/2022

[Boosterdog]

5 minutes ago, silverdevil said:

  

from the first post of this topic in 2/2022

I meant killed the autoexec fix. I had this working reliably for quite some time (in terms of it use EFS) but, after disabling it and full screen mode to play with the 3D mission editor app, it seems to have kaput. Was it one of the recent updates or have I missed something?

[scommander2]

41 minutes ago, Boosterdog said:

I meant killed the autoexec fix

Be honest, I do not know the answer. 

Still FPS drop issue with the recent DCS release, I realized that autoexec was blocking the new DCS settings, included VSYNC/Full screen and disable hot plug not required in autoexec by clicking button instead... maybe it was happened since few releases back (I saw one of threads mentioned to remove it).

So, I decided to rename autoexec to something since it is obsoleted from my environment (I guess). 

 

[MAXsenna]

That stinks, I doubt webcams are any smoother either

I use OpenTrack with a cheap HW solution. It's super smooth. I do feel, that the native TrackIR software has some benefits a saw in comparison between TrackIR and Tolobii.

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[Boosterdog]

3 hours ago, scommander2 said:

Be honest, I do not know the answer. 

Still FPS drop issue with the recent DCS release, I realized that autoexec was blocking the new DCS settings, included VSYNC/Full screen and disable hot plug not required in autoexec by clicking button instead... maybe it was happened since few releases back (I saw one of threads mentioned to remove it).

So, I decided to rename autoexec to something since it is obsoleted from my environment (I guess). 

 

Hmm. All very confusing. My Windows is locked down since the intital install so has not benefitted from any updates (I saw mention of changes in windows somewhere). I dont feel like undoing it all but I'll kill the autoexe since it seems those halcion days of good stuff working are now long gone.  I think when I get to play DCS proper again it'll be on a new PC with Win 11 so I'll save any machinations for then. 

[scommander2]

2 hours ago, Boosterdog said:

I dont feel like undoing it all but I'll kill the autoexe since it seems those halcion days of good stuff working are now long gone

Sorry for hearing it... it was struggle for me to rename autoexec... I understand.

[Dr Zaius]

So what can people recommend for the smoothest TrackIR experience possible?

iirc the device runs at 60mhz so anything close to / or multibles of that number helps with things which is why I cap my FPS to 120, I also have the Smooth setting under motion control on the TrackIR UI set to 50, is there anything I can try? 

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Dr Zaius said:

iirc the device runs at 60mhz

TrackIR runs at 120Hz. Honestly I’ve never noticed any lack of smoothness with it at any frame rate. 

[silverdevil]

2 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

TrackIR runs at 120Hz. Honestly I’ve never noticed any lack of smoothness with it at any frame rate. 

me neither. by the way an update dropper (at least for me) to 5.5.2. i had 5.4.2 forever it seemed.

https://www.trackir.com/downloads/

[scommander2]

25 minutes ago, silverdevil said:

5.5.2.

Hi @silverdevil, thanks for sharing a new version of the TrackIR.

[Boosterdog]

Hmm- So whilst theres no Alt-Enter or Alt tab without locks and crashes (never was with the autoexec hack) at least I have what I take to be Full Screen Exclusive working again (by token that the windoes volume bar does not appear when changing levels).  

In game = Vysync

In game - Full screen

NCP - Vsync = application controlled

Windows DCS shortcut - disable full screen optimisations (this was the item missing previously) in the compatability tab. 

Autoexec "hack" enabled

 

What Im not grasping is the bit about recent(ish) Windows updates doing away with the need for FSE. Im sure I saw mention of it somewhere. 

[scommander2]

22 hours ago, Boosterdog said:

Autoexec "hack" enabled

How do we do it?  If possible to share the contents of autoexec? Thanks.

[Boosterdog]

10 hours ago, scommander2 said:

How do we do it?  If possible to share the contents of autoexec? Thanks.

 

Its nothing that hasnt been put in this thread before

 

disable_write_track = true (not part of the "hack" but put in here as every little helps)
dx11backend =
{
    flipMode = false,
}

 

Vsync on in DCS

Full Screen on in DCS

Vsync = application controlled in the Nvidia Control panel 

Disable full screen optimisations ticked in the Compatability Tab of the DCS launch icon Shortcut (desktop)

 

Added voodoo (out of habit) - click on the DCS 15years window to ensure its focussed in windows on launch (probably not needed)

 

Note - You CANNOT Alt-Tab as you'll just end up on the desktop with no mouse or keyboard control. So its fine if you just wanna play with DCS in focus all the time but far the useful feature that was taken away. 

Edited October 11, 2024 by Boosterdog

[scommander2]

1 hour ago, Boosterdog said:

Its nothing that hasnt been put in this thread before

cool, thanks  :-)  

[silverdevil]

On 10/9/2024 at 5:13 PM, Boosterdog said:

Hmm- So whilst theres no Alt-Enter or Alt tab without locks and crashes (never was with the autoexec hack) at least I have what I take to be Full Screen Exclusive working again (by token that the windoes volume bar does not appear when changing levels).  

In game = Vysync

In game - Full screen

NCP - Vsync = application controlled

Windows DCS shortcut - disable full screen optimisations (this was the item missing previously) in the compatability tab. 

Autoexec "hack" enabled

 

What Im not grasping is the bit about recent(ish) Windows updates doing away with the need for FSE. Im sure I saw mention of it somewhere. 

so you piqued my interest. i found a random post about other games with problems with full scree optimization and ALT-TAB. they mentioned DSR. this may be a clue.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/i-cant-go-into-fullscreen-exclusive-mode-in-some/31a54169-bfa5-4fd0-b0b9-be2753772b0b

[scommander2]

7 minutes ago, silverdevil said:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/i-cant-go-into-fullscreen-exclusive-mode-in-some/31a54169-bfa5-4fd0-b0b9-be2753772b0b

Quote

This is said to help with lag that comes with running in Full-screen Windowed mode.

Note that this will also cause the game to crash if you TAB out\in.

Thanks... I guess that it is my penalty If I forget and tab out.... then...  Nothing is perfect... 

 

[Boosterdog]

9 hours ago, silverdevil said:

so you piqued my interest. i found a random post about other games with problems with full scree optimization and ALT-TAB. they mentioned DSR. this may be a clue.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/i-cant-go-into-fullscreen-exclusive-mode-in-some/31a54169-bfa5-4fd0-b0b9-be2753772b0b

I would try it but....I just got what I think is FSE back so I aint poking that partticular bear any further at this point..

 

[Boosterdog]

11 hours ago, silverdevil said:

so you piqued my interest. i found a random post about other games with problems with full scree optimization and ALT-TAB. they mentioned DSR. this may be a clue.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/i-cant-go-into-fullscreen-exclusive-mode-in-some/31a54169-bfa5-4fd0-b0b9-be2753772b0b

I tried it using the method suggested for the windows (non steam shortcut). 

It mysteriously activiated the Launcher (that I had de-selected) and asked me to log im. I did. Then on evey attempt to launch the game, its activated the Launcher again.