Kayos Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 The IHADS and George are way too high in VR. I have to strain my eyes so much to read the heading tape it's almost impossible. George is up there too. Sometimes I have to hold mt G2 so I can look up that high. After an hour I pretty much have to take a break my eyes are so sore. It would be nice if we can control how far up or down the IHADS and George are. Maybe George can be made movable so we can move it around the screen? IHADS can't be done that way but needs to be way lower. 3 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 19, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 19, 2022 Can you take a screenshot in VR please. IHADSS for me in the G2 looks fine, as it should in real life, the George AI menu at the top is ok for me its just a glance up to check it. thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: the George AI menu at the top is ok for me its just a glance up to check it. thanks Yes Its a bug I suppose ->>> George menu (from pilot perspective in VR) is too high. Part of NVG googles cover it (so you cant read the top of menu) I'll do the shot but it looks like this: From gunner position its better. IHADSS its ok (and it looks VERY WELL - good JOB ED!!!) , not a bug. Edit. Ok I did the screen of George menu: Gunner: Better to have all left bottom (or top) corner. At the beginning, Mi-24 also had a problem with it, now it's better there. Edited March 19, 2022 by YoYo Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 19, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 19, 2022 I will mention it to the team but it is intended this way. Can I suggest for now you go to the special options menu and untick IHADSS monocle visible, this maybe better for you. Personally I dont show it, I just use right eye option. 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: I will mention it to the team but it is intended this way. Can I suggest for now you go to the special options menu and untick IHADSS monocle visible, this maybe better for you. Personally I dont show it, I just use right eye option. IHADSS is ok! Just George menu isnt in good place! Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 19, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, YoYo said: IHADSS is ok! Just George menu isnt in good place! Yes I understand, but if you turn it off it wont be obstructed. I will speak to the team about it. thanks 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stackhouse Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 2 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: I will mention it to the team but it is intended this way. Can I suggest for now you go to the special options menu and untick IHADSS monocle visible, this maybe better for you. Personally I dont show it, I just use right eye option. I'm confused....it was intended for VR users to have to disable the immersive IHADSS monocle in order to use the George AI UI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 19, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Stackhouse said: I'm confused....it was intended for VR users to have to disable the immersive IHADSS monocle in order to use the George AI UI? No, the AI Menu location is correct, it was intended this way. But I will feedback to the team about it. What I am saying is if you dont like the IHADSS Clipping it you do have the option to turn it off. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stackhouse Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: No, the AI Menu location is correct, it was intended this way. But I will feedback to the team about it. What I am saying is if you dont like the IHADSS Clipping it you do have the option to turn it off. I understand. I hope the result is a solution where VR users can enjoy both the AI menu and the IHADSS overlay without obstruction. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DudleyAz Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 Thanks for taking this to the team BIGNEWY! The -64 is amazing... especially the overall quality of the whole module for a day one early access release! I agree with Stackhouse that I much prefer flying with the monocle visible. While just moving the interface down a bit so the outer ring isn't obstructed would work, I honestly prefer the lower left corner of my vision as the preferable spot, just like it is when not in VR (it can move with my vision in VR or be parked in a single spot in the background). Thanks, Dud. 1 If it worked perfectly... what's the fun in that? :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayos Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share Posted March 19, 2022 13 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: Can you take a screenshot in VR please. IHADSS for me in the G2 looks fine, as it should in real life, the George AI menu at the top is ok for me its just a glance up to check it. thanks Here is my view. The red circle is where I am looking straight ahead. I assume the + should be where I am looking. This is after boresighting. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 19, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 19, 2022 58 minutes ago, Kayos said: Here is my view. The red circle is where I am looking straight ahead. I assume the + should be where I am looking. This is after boresighting. what headset do you have? Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeroskills Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 I have the same problem, but I think it has more to do with the shape of my face than the headset or software. I have cheekbones stick out above average apparently so the headset sits slightly tilted up on my face nudging things out of alignment. I had a friend who is a fair bit skinnier than me try my exact setup and he said everything seemed fine. An option to adjust the location of the IHADS up or down would be nice because even though ED may have put it in the correct spot for most people my lumpy head means it doesn't work as intended for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayos Posted March 20, 2022 Author Share Posted March 20, 2022 11 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: what headset do you have? G2 10 hours ago, Zeroskills said: I have the same problem, but I think it has more to do with the shape of my face than the headset or software. I have cheekbones stick out above average apparently so the headset sits slightly tilted up on my face nudging things out of alignment. I had a friend who is a fair bit skinnier than me try my exact setup and he said everything seemed fine. An option to adjust the location of the IHADS up or down would be nice because even though ED may have put it in the correct spot for most people my lumpy head means it doesn't work as intended for me. It actually does fit a little tight around my cheeks. I don't have a problem with focus on the G2 though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japo32 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 same with reverb g2: https://gyazo.com/010c0228869d277245e9f0d5645d8bfe would be nice to allow us put the interface anywhere we want. Also (don't know if this works) allow the use of george commands without the interface. We have the voices and that would be enough, at least for the pilot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 It would be nice to be able drag it around like the FLOLS overlay. 3 i9 9900k @5.1GHz NZXT Kraken |Asus ROG Strix Z390 E-Gaming | Samsung NVMe m.2 970 Evo 1TB | LPX 64GB DDR4 3200MHz EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra | Reverb G1 | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Flight Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Japo32 said: Also (don't know if this works) allow the use of george commands without the interface. We have the voices and that would be enough, at least for the pilot. No, crazy idea :). 1 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistermann Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Thanks for speaking to the team, BigNewy (no need to @mention you). It might help us to understand why this was the intended design choice. I suspect the development/design team already went through many other placement options and settled on this one. Understanding "why" might help squelch the noise here. Until then, I consider myself in the confused camp. Even Wag's videos on George mention the intended placement of the George AI window being positioned to the side of the screen to avoid getting in the way of other information. It seems like you're indicating the team chose to go against that for VR. I am on the Rift S. Here's an image from the CPG seat. Not sure why the IHADSS isn't getting captured in the image, but you can see how the George AI is sitting right below it making it really hard to see through all the clutter. Actually the screen grab is much easier to read than the sim itself. System Specs: Spoiler Processor:13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13900K - RAM: 64GB - Video Card: NVIDIA RTX 4090 - Display: Pimax 8kx VR Headset - Accessories: VKB Gunfighter III MCG Ultimate, VKB STECS Standard, Thrustmaster TPR Pedals, Simshaker JetPad, Predator HOTAS Mounts, 3D Printed Flight Button Box Thrustmaster TWCS Mod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayos Posted March 21, 2022 Author Share Posted March 21, 2022 @BIGNEWY I think part of the issue is that boresight isn't working properly with VR. If you line it up properly with the rings the gun is way off and so is the ihads. If i raise my seat way up so it aligns without me have to moved my head really far it seems to line up the gun and lower the ihads for me. So, I think it may be related to this issue [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 22, 2022 ED Team Share Posted March 22, 2022 do any of you have multi monitor setups? Boresight is working for me in the reverb G2, I use right eye only but have tested with left and both also. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 Just to add that I have the same issue with my Reverb G2. The Georges AI command Menu is placed above my IHADSS, it's readable but it's not very natural. Wouldn't it be possible to place it on the left or right side of the helmet sight? The same goes for the list of different targets. It is placed very low and not always well visible. Could it be possible to place it left or right? For the rest the module is just beautiful, with my virtual squadron we are constantly flying to discover the machine. A huge thank you for the work done... For a first release in open Beta the module is as good as we expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayos Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 17 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: do any of you have multi monitor setups? Boresight is working for me in the reverb G2, I use right eye only but have tested with left and both also. I do have 2 monitors [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japo32 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) I have Nvidia Surround with 5760x1080 3 monitors resolution that act as only 1 monitor, so I put 1 monitor in DCS when flying 2D (I don't like the side wing distortion angles that the multimonitor produces in DCS). No problems with Petrovich menu. Edited March 23, 2022 by Japo32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I have no problem seeing the George menu either, but I don't have the monocle on. As the real pilots said you don't see the monocle piece IRL anyway. It was in the way with VR. If you put the IHADSS in both eyes it is almost impossible to align it with boresight. You have to boresight it in between both eyes. It is best used with one eye. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanatos31 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I really like the position of the menu, as it doesnt clutter up the already full view with all the data on my FOV. I have no problems looking up, so I guess its a very individual thing 1 Come fly with us : https://discord.gg/tawdcs TAW CJTF 13 - EU TZ MilSim Squadron Ryzen 5 5600X | 32GB DDR4 3733| ASUS Radeon RX 6700 XT | ASrock B550 Phantom Gaming 4 | HP Reverb G2 | Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle , F16 & F18 grips , TFRP Rudders | Win 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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