vicx Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 One day I hope we can all have our very own F-35. Like a jetpack but better.
Jona33 Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 One day I hope we can all have our very own F-35. Like a jetpack but better. Haven't you heard, the F35 will be coming to a corner shop near you! (If you live down the road from Lockheed and have a spare $30000000000 (might be a couple too many zeros. :P)). Always remember. I don't have a clue what I'm doing
GeorgeLKMT Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 ammis developed a ball pen who can write in space for 1000000$ the russions take a pencil Not sure if joke or not, but nobody is using pencils in space because when the tip breaks, piece of graphite in lungs, eyes or instrumentation is really really bad. But love and urban legends are forever... 1 ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■
GGTharos Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 ammis developed a ball pen who can write in space for 1000000$ the russions take a pencil No they don't, and please stop repeating that dumb lie. Also the pens were two dollars. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
vicx Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 It is an interesting thought exercise. Imagine Lockheed was a private company in a completely deregulated global economy and anyone who had the money could buy an F-35 without any restrictions. Who would buy them? Well obviously most people who need an F-35 type thing would buy at least one :)
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Emu Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 Germany spends €90 million per Eurofighter that just had its airframe lifespan halved due to manufacturing error: http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2014/10/01/germany-reports-eurofighter-manufacturing-fault Wrong thread.
USARStarkey Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Given that this thread is nearly 200 pages long I'm sure what I'm going to say isnt new, but a few things to consider for the F-35. Two of its biggest criticisms are that its only got 4 120's max and cannot super-cruise in the mach 1.5 sense. However, consider the following: 1. none of the 4.5 gen fighters that are supposedly the bane of the F-35 can super-cruise in the mach 1.5 sense when carrying external stores(ie: weapons). Many of them cannot SC in the mach 1.5 sense at all. Given this, the F-35s limited SC is more than adequate since it can do it while carrying its full, albeit smaller weapons load. 2. While it only has 4 slammers, it can choose engagement geometry due to stealth. This means it can make much more efficient use of its weapons. I doubt many 35's will charge head on into a pack of Su30s. Instead, they fly around the Su-30s radar envelope(or above or below) and attack from the 3-9 line where they can close to retardedly close ranges with no chance of detection. I think more missile capacity would be better, but if you close to 10nm when you fire, you arent going to need as many. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]Weed Be gone Needed
schroedi Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Actually it is not true that all german Eurofighters have their service life halfed. It's only the first 33 planes (all Tranche 1) and not only german planes have this problems, all Tranche 1 planes are affected. In the british Eurofighter factory they drilled wrong holes in the fuselage which weakend the airframe. Just to get that right.
bongodriver Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 But the British only build the forward cockpit area, Germany build the centre fuselage section.
bongodriver Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 I read it as the problem was discovered by the British, not caused.
Winfield_Gold Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Actually it is not true that all german Eurofighters have their service life halfed. It's only the first 33 planes (all Tranche 1) and not only german planes have this problems, all Tranche 1 planes are affected. In the british Eurofighter factory they drilled wrong holes in the fuselage which weakend the airframe. Just to get that right. Der Spiegel Online Magazine has stated all 109 Eurofighter's are effected. Der Spiegel also quotes that Germany is unable to keep its defense promises to its NATO allies. I have read the article and this is due to funding shortages and a lack of parts. Because of this, "only 38 out of 89 of Tornado fighters are airworthy and only eight of 109 "Euro Fighter" -Kampfjets are fully operational." I would say Der Spiegel would be a more reliable source of information than Wikipedia. http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundeswehr-unter-von-der-leyen-marode-ausruestung-bei-luftwaffe-a-987940.html EDIT: Janes Defence weekly claims "According to the report, out of Germany's 109 Eurofighters, 35 aircraft are currently undergoing external maintenance, leaving 74 aircraft in service. However of these 74 only 42 aircraft are currently available for missions, training, and exercises. The report did not specify the reasons for this, but IHS Jane's has learnt that the decreased availability of the aircraft is based on a mixture of spare parts policy and their overall costs." http://www.janes.com/article/44111/german-eurofighters-facing-serviceability-issues http://www.janes.com/article/44037/eurofighters-hit-by-manufacturing-issue - That article also mentions Germany's NATO commitment but end story is, all Eurofighters are in a "questionable" state of affairs. Compared to the F-35, proof shows the F-35 is in a much better position when it comes to being airworthy. Edited October 13, 2014 by Winfield_Gold 1
Emu Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 No, it was a reply to previous posts from a German ridiculing the USA for wasting money on aerospace programs. I'd say Germany just wasted a tonne of money on a fighter with bigger issues than F-35. Ok okay, I see, well I don't share his opinions on the F-35 but, having said that, this Eurofighter issue has been massively blown out of proportion. Only some aircraft are affected and the issue is unlikely to even affect the planned service lives with the respective airforces. If there was a real problem, or even a hint of it, all the planes would be grounded.
schroedi Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) I am a German that's why I have the information from the german news on TV and what was written in the newspaper. I don't know if this is correct or the information from Jane's. Btw "Der Spiegel" is a german magazine which sometimes invents stories to sell their magazine better, so not very reliable. Edited October 14, 2014 by schroedi
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Emu Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 It's sounds pretty serious to me when you have to cut a new airframes service life in half: "Speaking to IHS Jane's the German MoD stated: "Currently there are is no damage and therefore flight safety is not affected. Thus our planes are fully operational." However, as a precaution the German MoD has halved the service life of its Eurofighter aircraft from 3,000 to 1,500 flight hours." Important part in bold. This is the EU remember, land of Health & Safety.:)
beaupower32 Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) ... Edited May 29, 2015 by beaupower32 "There is always a small microcosm of people who need to explain away their suckage" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mike Busutil Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I got to spend 3 hours in the AV/8B Harrier sim here at MCAS Yuma last week. It was the best sim experience I have ever had :D It had 10 displays that fully encompassed the room and was very cold and dark. The sound system was awesome and after 10 minutes I felt like I was really in the cockpit. They also have the JSF sims but I was not even allowed to look at them... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/filter/user-is-Mike Busutil/apply/
tomcatter Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 The displays are amazing, and the information that is given to the pilot will blow everyones mind. Plus it is fun just to play around on them. Shure it is ..¡¡¡¡ It has to be a piece of software, and the words of the soft engineer on that video really tell us how things are being design now days. I´m more an analog kind of guy, but I can see clearly that software has crossed a line on the aircraft design to be the core of the system.
beaupower32 Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) ... Edited May 29, 2015 by beaupower32 "There is always a small microcosm of people who need to explain away their suckage" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
vicx Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 The simulator guy from Lockeed said what we already know. Simulators have to model new threat environments so aircraft can be designed to combat those threats. This is why this thread is the most important thread of all.
Emu Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 The simulator guy from Lockeed said what we already know. Simulators have to model new threat environments so aircraft can be designed to combat those threats. This is why this thread is the most important thread of all. :lol:
Hummingbird Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) One thing I find a bit amusing is the claim that the F-35 performs better in a sustained turn than the F-16. If you know a little bit of physics & aerodynamics you'll see how that's not even remotely possible :D Features that boost aircraft turn performance (Random order): 1. Greater than 1:1 T/W ratio 2. LERX 3. LE flaps 4. Blended wing design F-16 (wing loading = 431 kg/sq.m) 1. Check! 2. Check! 3. Check! 4. Check! F-35 (wing loading = 526 kg/sq.m) 1. Check! 2. Negative! 3. Check! 4. Negative! Edited October 22, 2014 by Hummingbird 1
sobek Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 If you know a little bit of physics & aerodynamics you'll see how that's not even remotely possible :D If you know a little more about physics, you come to realize that you really need to do the math to know for sure. ;) Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
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